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That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM

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A rollback of Planned Parenthood v. Casey (or Roe, for that matter) wouldn't be denying women a fundamental right, it would be affirming no such right ever existed in the Constitution (which of course, it did not).


That is a perverts motte and bailey argument.

Nobody cares besides 15 to 20% of the population on this argument you just made. Furthermore it was not the first instinct of said 20% but they had to be sold into it, convinced into it via Repetition#. And that Repetition# may convince some of the population but it has a limited effect and will not convince the majority of people.

Just say the thing you care about, what is the real organizing principle here. The first principle not the second.

( if it was the real first principle there would be dozens of other court cases you would be talking about instead of Roe or Casey. )

Edit: Repetition# not Reputation, but that is here too for Authority and Reputation is part of how this argument is made. People in Authority say this is the correct and valid arguement.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1604 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 1002 Views
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That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 941 Views
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The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 912 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 758 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 904 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 439 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 816 Views
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There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 715 Views
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