First of all you complain that the AS contributions don't count because they were ordered by someone else. That's like saying that if someone asks you to write up a report, it's not your report, and your work doesnt count because you were asked to do it by someone else...excuse my french but that's bushwa.
Then you complain that if they were attached to some group or another their accomplishments don't matter. Also bushwa, and AS accomplishment is an AS accomplishment. Finally if you can't falsely negate their accomplishments any other way you try to trivialize them.
You say that discovering what the AoL said was impossible doesn't matter because if you are channeling anyway why not just shield them? Let me ask you something, would you prefer to have some real knowledge, (type and direction of the flow) or would you rather be needlessly aggressive, anger a possible ally and maybe even end up in deep doo doo? Say for instance the Ashaman is doing something beneficial (holding back a flood, putting out a fire etc) and you shield him? Kinda counter productive no? Me I'd rather find out what the ashaman was doing first before I started any aggressive moves.
Then you say that the BA hunters are nothing because they've had little success. It is true they've had only a little success in one sense but also true that they have done something that no one in the tower has ever done, and that is uncover actual BA operatives in the Tower. And they are doing this even knowing that ANY mistake they make will be their last. I'd say that's very courageous.
Let's also look at some of your individual inanities.
The only thing that Moiraine did to save Lan after her death was pass the bond to Myrelle. It was Myrelle and Naiso who did all the work.
I'll skip all the instances where you say "Rand (or Cadsuane or anyone else for that matter) told them to" they did the work, they deserve the credit.
Cairhein: Samitsu healed Dobraine, something very very few other AS could do. BTW even tho she is part of Cadsuane's group, Caddy never told her to heal Dobraine. Sashelle is governing Cairhein during Dobraine's convalesence, she was a Red from the Tower and had been stilled by Rand. Would you have taken on that task, covering for someone who had been declared regent by the man that stilled and captured you? Bighearted of her I'd say.
That pretty much covers what I said previously. If I understand what you are saying, it's that if you are an Aes Sedai, your actions don't amount to anything unless it is completely spontaneous. Also your actions don't count if you are aligned with either Moiraine, Cadsuane, the Wonder Girls, Rand, or the Rebels, and unless you have met with unparalleled success. In other words "The AS are superfluous as long as you ignore the ones who aren't".
NaCl(sorry but doesnt make sense to me)H2O ' />
Then you complain that if they were attached to some group or another their accomplishments don't matter. Also bushwa, and AS accomplishment is an AS accomplishment. Finally if you can't falsely negate their accomplishments any other way you try to trivialize them.
You say that discovering what the AoL said was impossible doesn't matter because if you are channeling anyway why not just shield them? Let me ask you something, would you prefer to have some real knowledge, (type and direction of the flow) or would you rather be needlessly aggressive, anger a possible ally and maybe even end up in deep doo doo? Say for instance the Ashaman is doing something beneficial (holding back a flood, putting out a fire etc) and you shield him? Kinda counter productive no? Me I'd rather find out what the ashaman was doing first before I started any aggressive moves.
Then you say that the BA hunters are nothing because they've had little success. It is true they've had only a little success in one sense but also true that they have done something that no one in the tower has ever done, and that is uncover actual BA operatives in the Tower. And they are doing this even knowing that ANY mistake they make will be their last. I'd say that's very courageous.
Let's also look at some of your individual inanities.
The only thing that Moiraine did to save Lan after her death was pass the bond to Myrelle. It was Myrelle and Naiso who did all the work.
I'll skip all the instances where you say "Rand (or Cadsuane or anyone else for that matter) told them to" they did the work, they deserve the credit.
Cairhein: Samitsu healed Dobraine, something very very few other AS could do. BTW even tho she is part of Cadsuane's group, Caddy never told her to heal Dobraine. Sashelle is governing Cairhein during Dobraine's convalesence, she was a Red from the Tower and had been stilled by Rand. Would you have taken on that task, covering for someone who had been declared regent by the man that stilled and captured you? Bighearted of her I'd say.
That pretty much covers what I said previously. If I understand what you are saying, it's that if you are an Aes Sedai, your actions don't amount to anything unless it is completely spontaneous. Also your actions don't count if you are aligned with either Moiraine, Cadsuane, the Wonder Girls, Rand, or the Rebels, and unless you have met with unparalleled success. In other words "The AS are superfluous as long as you ignore the ones who aren't".
NaCl(sorry but doesnt make sense to me)H2O ' />
You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous
02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM
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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower...
02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
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That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though.
03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM
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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and
03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
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And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM
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Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM
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Really?
03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM
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Re: Really?
03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM
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So lets add a few more
03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM
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most of these are accounted for above
03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
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Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less
03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM
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But who did the work?
03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM
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While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower
03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM
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So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count?
03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM
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Re: But who did the work?
04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM
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Only one point because obviously your mind is made up.
05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM
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well, yeah
05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM
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In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM
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Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM
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I don't understand your point
03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM
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Re: I don't understand your point
03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM
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I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow,
03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM
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So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much
03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM
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I'm talking about the organization as a whole
03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
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You just made our point...
04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM
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WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development.
09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM
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Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous.
09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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To a certain extent
03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM
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Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here.
03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM
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Agrees with Nossy
03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM
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