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But who did the work? NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM
First of all you complain that the AS contributions don't count because they were ordered by someone else. That's like saying that if someone asks you to write up a report, it's not your report, and your work doesnt count because you were asked to do it by someone else...excuse my french but that's bushwa.
Then you complain that if they were attached to some group or another their accomplishments don't matter. Also bushwa, and AS accomplishment is an AS accomplishment. Finally if you can't falsely negate their accomplishments any other way you try to trivialize them.
You say that discovering what the AoL said was impossible doesn't matter because if you are channeling anyway why not just shield them? Let me ask you something, would you prefer to have some real knowledge, (type and direction of the flow) or would you rather be needlessly aggressive, anger a possible ally and maybe even end up in deep doo doo? Say for instance the Ashaman is doing something beneficial (holding back a flood, putting out a fire etc) and you shield him? Kinda counter productive no? Me I'd rather find out what the ashaman was doing first before I started any aggressive moves.
Then you say that the BA hunters are nothing because they've had little success. It is true they've had only a little success in one sense but also true that they have done something that no one in the tower has ever done, and that is uncover actual BA operatives in the Tower. And they are doing this even knowing that ANY mistake they make will be their last. I'd say that's very courageous.
Let's also look at some of your individual inanities.
The only thing that Moiraine did to save Lan after her death was pass the bond to Myrelle. It was Myrelle and Naiso who did all the work.
I'll skip all the instances where you say "Rand (or Cadsuane or anyone else for that matter) told them to" they did the work, they deserve the credit.

Cairhein: Samitsu healed Dobraine, something very very few other AS could do. BTW even tho she is part of Cadsuane's group, Caddy never told her to heal Dobraine. Sashelle is governing Cairhein during Dobraine's convalesence, she was a Red from the Tower and had been stilled by Rand. Would you have taken on that task, covering for someone who had been declared regent by the man that stilled and captured you? Bighearted of her I'd say.

That pretty much covers what I said previously. If I understand what you are saying, it's that if you are an Aes Sedai, your actions don't amount to anything unless it is completely spontaneous. Also your actions don't count if you are aligned with either Moiraine, Cadsuane, the Wonder Girls, Rand, or the Rebels, and unless you have met with unparalleled success. In other words "The AS are superfluous as long as you ignore the ones who aren't".

NaCl(sorry but doesnt make sense to me)H2O +<img class=' />
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1179 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 766 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 483 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 787 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 745 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 716 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 682 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 684 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 756 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 609 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 632 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 618 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 701 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 530 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 569 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 642 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 670 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 738 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 610 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 605 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 564 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 608 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 708 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 631 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 680 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 612 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 811 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 591 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 608 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 553 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 624 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 546 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 643 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 548 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 658 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 792 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 634 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 748 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 544 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 589 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 885 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 549 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 890 Views

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