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most of these are accounted for above ranagrande Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
It was an Aes Sedai (actually several it was a team effort) who kept Lan alive after Moiraines "death"
This is true. It was all originally orchestrated by Moiraine though.

It was an Aes Sedai who healed Dobraine (the Dragon's regent in Cairhein)from what surely were mortal wounds
It was an Aes Sedai who more or less took over the running of Cairhein while Dobraine is convalescing
If I remember correctly (and I very well could be mistaken here, please correct me if I am) these were Cadsuane's Aes Sedai acting on her orders.

It was Aes Sedai who hammered out the "Bargain" between the Dragon and the Seafolk
only because Rand told them to

It was Aes Sedai (again a group effort) who kept Rand alive after he was sliced by Fain's dagger and got him back to the palace where Flinn could heal him
This, again, was Cadsuane's doing.

It was an Aes Sedai who discovered how to recognise a man channeling and where the flows were directed (another thing thought impossible by the AoL AS)
Although many sisters were excited by this, it is actually pretty useless. They have to channel at the man in order to detect the man channeling. And if they're able to channel at him, why not just weave a shield?

It was Aes Sedai who negotiated the peace in Tear and set the crown on Sisnera's head.
because Rand allowed it, because Min told him to

It is Aes Sedai who are digilently (and at great risk) working to rid the WT of the BA
and making very little progress

Yes there are some AS who are superfluous, there are some Ashaman who are superfluous, there are some nobles (probably most) who are superfluous, even most of the big baddies (forsaken) are kinda lame. Not everyone can be heroic and world changing all the time.
Honestly I think it just boils down to "Everyone who is not a major character is superfluous."

*edit: I forgot to change the title.
This message last edited by ranagrande on 03/09/2009 at 02:19:32 PM
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1179 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 767 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 483 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 711 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 915 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 788 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 746 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 716 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 682 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 684 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 758 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 721 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 609 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 632 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 619 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 702 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 530 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 570 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 645 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 671 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 739 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 610 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 606 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 565 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 609 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 709 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 631 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 680 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 612 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 813 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 591 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 609 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 554 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 624 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 547 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 644 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 549 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 658 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 576 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 651 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 793 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 635 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 749 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 544 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 590 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 885 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 549 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 890 Views
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