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Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM
At least, amongst the characters that don't channel that is.

Mat would shred him to bits with that Ashanderei of his, or thunk him silly with a simple staff.

Galad too should be able to beat Gawyn.

But Lan? Nope. Lan is an OLD MAN. Sure, he's badass, but just not fit or quick enough anymore to challenge Gawyn, or Mat or Galad. Heck, I think Perrin could take the old Malkieri too.

Personally, and this will probably get me flamed, I think even Thom Merrilin would be Lan at this point, without the bad leg Thom as of course.

The reason being is that Lan has hit his top potential. He's been as good as he has for better than 25 years. Gawyn, on the other hand, is still getting better. You will notice that Gawyn was able to defeat Hamar, and I don't even think that he was injured. Lan was able to beat Riatan, but he lost his sword in the process and was wounded as well.

The fact that Gawyn is a whiney little child with delusions of thinking he's knowledgeable just absolutely slays me. He insists on believing that his mother was killed by Rand...a rumor that his own love disputes and says isn't true. And then he insists on killing Rand even though doing so would pretty much guarentee the end of creation and the Dark One taking over the entire realm of existance.

Dude needs to learn some priorities.

A good question though would be could Galad still beat Gawyn?

~Jeordam
This message last edited by BlackAdder on 06/02/2010 at 05:52:57 PM
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2701 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1435 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1351 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1217 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1283 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1197 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1337 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1277 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1295 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1196 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1208 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1310 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1163 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1177 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1146 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 852 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1424 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1114 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1237 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1336 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1053 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1334 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1292 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1243 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1459 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1335 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1272 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1209 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1258 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1811 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1241 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1239 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1151 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1239 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1055 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 942 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1173 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1249 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1127 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1236 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1096 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 759 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 810 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1222 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1142 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1215 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1220 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1124 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1140 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1138 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1138 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1120 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1067 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1221 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1095 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1189 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1193 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1166 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1113 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1173 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1198 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1212 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1093 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1094 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1139 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1134 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1125 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1078 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1141 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1093 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1188 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 732 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1127 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1280 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1166 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1095 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1219 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1206 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1119 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1211 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1119 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1217 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1055 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1057 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1291 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1293 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1086 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1123 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1201 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1130 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1160 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1088 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1091 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1121 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1126 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1123 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1149 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1204 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1147 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1062 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1080 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2364 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1196 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1178 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1109 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 962 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1119 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1160 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1312 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1249 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1181 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1243 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1183 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1148 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 645 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1051 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9682 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1156 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1327 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1026 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1208 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1025 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 746 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 717 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1203 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1186 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1239 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1191 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1180 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1143 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1151 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 739 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1172 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1211 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1169 Views
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