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Then somewhere between TPOD and COT he started using the new system. That's probably when he started trying to decide on Forsaken strengths.

By LoC we start seeing specific statements about strength, I think. Before that, I'd wager RJ didn't even have the dexterity advantage down. By tPoD, we have Graendal specifically giving hints on the power levels of the Forsaken, close assessments of strength from characters like Elayne, etc. In WH, this goes further, and I suspect RJ used these levels to design the circles that took on specific Forsaken.

I do wonder if RJ would have given us any specific info on how average Aes Sedai and Asha'man compare, if he lived to write the Last Battle.

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Here's how I see it: fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM 1125 Views
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I think you misunderstand what I'm saying darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM 992 Views
Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM 1044 Views
um, no darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM 945 Views
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You said this much better than I did darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:53:57 PM 933 Views
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Shielding Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM 914 Views
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seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 964 Views
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Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 862 Views
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Sort of. Terez - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM 1322 Views
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duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:36 PM 530 Views
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Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM 861 Views
plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM 944 Views
This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 855 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 968 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 1048 Views
Not really Sidious - 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM 907 Views
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