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Makes sense fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 07/12/2015 12:38:54 AM

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Then somewhere between TPOD and COT he started using the new system. That's probably when he started trying to decide on Forsaken strengths.

By LoC we start seeing specific statements about strength, I think. Before that, I'd wager RJ didn't even have the dexterity advantage down. By tPoD, we have Graendal specifically giving hints on the power levels of the Forsaken, close assessments of strength from characters like Elayne, etc. In WH, this goes further, and I suspect RJ used these levels to design the circles that took on specific Forsaken.

I do wonder if RJ would have given us any specific info on how average Aes Sedai and Asha'man compare, if he lived to write the Last Battle.

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Here's how I see it: fionwe1987 - 02/12/2015 08:34:54 AM 1216 Views
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I think you misunderstand what I'm saying darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:43:29 PM 1093 Views
Re: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying fionwe1987 - 03/12/2015 05:41:17 PM 1141 Views
um, no darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 09:24:31 PM 1050 Views
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You said this much better than I did darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 03:53:57 PM 1036 Views
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I think when characters quoted information from their world it gets muddled darius_sedai - 03/12/2015 04:19:43 PM 1074 Views
Shielding Sidious - 05/12/2015 11:19:40 AM 1002 Views
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seriously! darius_sedai - 07/12/2015 04:55:43 PM 1048 Views
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Then there would be some mention of it, yes/ fionwe1987 - 06/12/2015 08:56:10 PM 958 Views
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it probably has to do with the fact that the characters in the books are also obsessed with strength darius_sedai - 06/12/2015 07:58:20 PM 1082 Views
Sort of. Terez - 06/12/2015 10:30:36 PM 1406 Views
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duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:36 PM 570 Views
duplicate post ignore *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2015 02:31:55 PM 603 Views
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Re: Some things to consider Sidious - 10/12/2015 05:50:17 PM 951 Views
plenty of weaker ones with notably strong Talents actually darius_sedai - 10/12/2015 06:26:03 PM 1040 Views
This is a flawed list Sidious - 11/12/2015 05:14:47 AM 943 Views
and you are just rationalizing to make your point seem plausible darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 03:10:12 PM 1059 Views
another point about Talents (unrelated to the Strength question) darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 06:06:42 PM 1148 Views
Not really Sidious - 11/12/2015 09:09:41 PM 1004 Views
You are trying to force fit thin evidence into a sweeping statement darius_sedai - 11/12/2015 10:13:13 PM 1027 Views
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