Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury?
DomA Send a noteboard - 10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM
It was apparently Faulkner's desire to color-code the text based on the time, so Folio went and did it.
On the relative merit of Wheel of Time, it is obviously more complex than a D&D adventure. I might argue that the world building was very poorly executed (from the Tolkienesque shape of Randland to the absolutely abysmal Old Tongue and universal "modern" tongue), but the storytelling was generally good, at least for the first six books.
On the relative merit of Wheel of Time, it is obviously more complex than a D&D adventure. I might argue that the world building was very poorly executed (from the Tolkienesque shape of Randland to the absolutely abysmal Old Tongue and universal "modern" tongue), but the storytelling was generally good, at least for the first six books.
I fully agree the linguistic aspect in WOT is absurd and one of the worst elements of the world building. Over here we were cut from regular contact with French culture for less than two hundred years (from the conquest to around the time of the invention of radio) and just in that time, the French revolution had been enough to send the language in a new direction, to the point the average Canadien and the average Français could understand each other with much difficulty around 1910, except for clerics, priests, seminarists and a few decades later, media people (and the older people in Normandy, as tons of turns of phrase, regionalisms and the accent come from their patois that hasn't changed much since the 18th century). That the Seanchan could impose their language, fine, but that their language et the Westlands' have evolved exactly the same way over a millenium is lunacy. I wouldn't have minded so much had Jordan simply admit it was contrived so he could avoid having interprets in relationships such as Tuon/Mat, but to try to defend the logic of it was stubborn nonsense from a man who hated he cheated when he cheated.
That said, you have to admit the linguistic elements play a very minor role in WOT's world building, barely any at all in comparison to the place of languages in Tolkien.
I think RJ's best element of world building remains the One Power. It was fairly innovative and original when WOT began, a "magic system" as you could find in early RPGs, but originating in a science that had devolved into something no longer fully understood as such, more like a craft, is also quite interesting, even more because RJ chose to depart from the cliché of spells. That this magic power, the substance of God (presumably), served to mirror or echo most of the themes of the story is also interesting.
That Jordan chose to develop plots that respected the basic cosmology that reality is made of patterns within patterns is another interesting element.
It's a matter of tastes in the end, but personally I've had far more problems, especially in the early series, with mechanistic way RJ created "cultures" by merging existing ones purely on whims, and disregarding anthropology or sociology. The Cairhienin remains for me the most abysmal example, in TGH most of all.
As for storytelling, I personally prefer the pace and focus of the mid to late series (the first WOT book I actually liked was TSR, in the late series only TPOD really bugs me). There's dividing line on this issue is most often between those who read WOT for entertaiment, and those for who discussing and theorizing had become a hobby they enjoyed.
I don't enjoy so much the early books, as to me the first three are clearly one of the slowest introduction to a Fantasy series, period. RJ's original plan was to introduce the series with a novel that went from Rand leaving the TR, having received his father's sword, to Rand getting the sword that proclaimed him as LTT's rebirth.
Instead of sticking to that, a good plan, RJ gave us three "iterations" of the Ishamael/Rand confrontation.
TGH in particular (to my tastes, the worst WOT book by a long shot) accomplished extremely little for a book so large, it's an overstretched chase sequence, inverting the roles of hunter and prey from EOTW.
So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant?
08/10/2012 09:47:49 PM
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HAHAHA!
08/10/2012 10:17:58 PM
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Yeah, the use of my time does matter
09/10/2012 02:45:15 AM
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Not sure I'd call it mindless
09/10/2012 02:53:00 AM
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Well, it is a bit more complex than a D&D novel
09/10/2012 02:55:40 AM
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I'm not really a huge fiction reader to begin with
09/10/2012 11:25:34 PM
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I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers
11/10/2012 05:48:02 AM
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Re: I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers
12/10/2012 05:11:20 PM
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Well... it's a bit late in the game...
09/10/2012 02:04:16 AM
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True, but it's never too late to ask people such questions
09/10/2012 02:49:28 AM
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I'm not sure...
09/10/2012 06:03:08 AM
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Well, we may be in closer agreement then
09/10/2012 06:43:50 PM
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There's a reason for this...
09/10/2012 02:11:21 AM
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True
09/10/2012 02:54:12 AM
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Re: True
09/10/2012 06:19:42 AM
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I am now visualizing WoT as a telenovela adaptation
09/10/2012 06:59:11 PM
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everything about Lanfear screams TeleNovela!
11/10/2012 04:38:03 AM
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Por ella, soy Luisa Therin?
11/10/2012 05:44:32 AM
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It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
09/10/2012 02:21:20 PM
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It also has Faulknerian allusions
09/10/2012 07:04:55 PM
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BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury?
10/10/2012 08:06:18 PM
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Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury?
10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM
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No, but I'll keep it in mind for the future when I have more money to spare
11/10/2012 05:49:52 AM
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It sold out fast. They might reprint it, though.
11/10/2012 03:45:20 PM
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Hopefully, that or it won't be more than $200 when I do have the money to spare
11/10/2012 05:53:20 PM
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Re: So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant?
11/10/2012 10:52:01 AM
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Ah, where would we be without such bright lights like you around?
11/10/2012 05:59:48 PM
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It will have meant.. .
11/10/2012 06:59:43 PM
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So...
11/10/2012 07:05:41 PM
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For me, yes.
11/10/2012 07:45:25 PM
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