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Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? DomA Send a noteboard - 10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM
It was apparently Faulkner's desire to color-code the text based on the time, so Folio went and did it.

On the relative merit of Wheel of Time, it is obviously more complex than a D&D adventure. I might argue that the world building was very poorly executed (from the Tolkienesque shape of Randland to the absolutely abysmal Old Tongue and universal "modern" tongue), but the storytelling was generally good, at least for the first six books.


I fully agree the linguistic aspect in WOT is absurd and one of the worst elements of the world building. Over here we were cut from regular contact with French culture for less than two hundred years (from the conquest to around the time of the invention of radio) and just in that time, the French revolution had been enough to send the language in a new direction, to the point the average Canadien and the average Français could understand each other with much difficulty around 1910, except for clerics, priests, seminarists and a few decades later, media people (and the older people in Normandy, as tons of turns of phrase, regionalisms and the accent come from their patois that hasn't changed much since the 18th century). That the Seanchan could impose their language, fine, but that their language et the Westlands' have evolved exactly the same way over a millenium is lunacy. I wouldn't have minded so much had Jordan simply admit it was contrived so he could avoid having interprets in relationships such as Tuon/Mat, but to try to defend the logic of it was stubborn nonsense from a man who hated he cheated when he cheated.

That said, you have to admit the linguistic elements play a very minor role in WOT's world building, barely any at all in comparison to the place of languages in Tolkien.

I think RJ's best element of world building remains the One Power. It was fairly innovative and original when WOT began, a "magic system" as you could find in early RPGs, but originating in a science that had devolved into something no longer fully understood as such, more like a craft, is also quite interesting, even more because RJ chose to depart from the cliché of spells. That this magic power, the substance of God (presumably), served to mirror or echo most of the themes of the story is also interesting.

That Jordan chose to develop plots that respected the basic cosmology that reality is made of patterns within patterns is another interesting element.

It's a matter of tastes in the end, but personally I've had far more problems, especially in the early series, with mechanistic way RJ created "cultures" by merging existing ones purely on whims, and disregarding anthropology or sociology. The Cairhienin remains for me the most abysmal example, in TGH most of all.

As for storytelling, I personally prefer the pace and focus of the mid to late series (the first WOT book I actually liked was TSR, in the late series only TPOD really bugs me). There's dividing line on this issue is most often between those who read WOT for entertaiment, and those for who discussing and theorizing had become a hobby they enjoyed.

I don't enjoy so much the early books, as to me the first three are clearly one of the slowest introduction to a Fantasy series, period. RJ's original plan was to introduce the series with a novel that went from Rand leaving the TR, having received his father's sword, to Rand getting the sword that proclaimed him as LTT's rebirth.

Instead of sticking to that, a good plan, RJ gave us three "iterations" of the Ishamael/Rand confrontation.

TGH in particular (to my tastes, the worst WOT book by a long shot) accomplished extremely little for a book so large, it's an overstretched chase sequence, inverting the roles of hunter and prey from EOTW.
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So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant? - 08/10/2012 09:47:49 PM 1912 Views
Years of enjoyment. What else do you expect from fiction? - 08/10/2012 10:17:30 PM 907 Views
I expect a lot from fiction, to be honest - 09/10/2012 02:43:59 AM 928 Views
HAHAHA! - 08/10/2012 10:17:58 PM 967 Views
Yeah, the use of my time does matter - 09/10/2012 02:45:15 AM 886 Views
Not sure I'd call it mindless - 09/10/2012 02:53:00 AM 867 Views
Well, it is a bit more complex than a D&D novel - 09/10/2012 02:55:40 AM 869 Views
I'm not really a huge fiction reader to begin with - 09/10/2012 11:25:34 PM 762 Views
I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers - 11/10/2012 05:48:02 AM 848 Views
Re: I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers - 12/10/2012 05:11:20 PM 789 Views
I like the TV series ... It's gritty - 13/10/2012 11:44:06 PM 751 Views
Well... it's a bit late in the game... - 09/10/2012 02:04:16 AM 967 Views
True, but it's never too late to ask people such questions - 09/10/2012 02:49:28 AM 769 Views
I'm not sure... - 09/10/2012 06:03:08 AM 783 Views
Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 09/10/2012 06:43:50 PM 819 Views
Re: Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 09/10/2012 11:08:49 PM 891 Views
Re: Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 11/10/2012 06:14:27 AM 700 Views
Re: I'm not sure... - 11/10/2012 06:15:26 PM 753 Views
There's a reason for this... - 09/10/2012 02:11:21 AM 867 Views
True - 09/10/2012 02:54:12 AM 899 Views
Re: True - 09/10/2012 06:19:42 AM 778 Views
I am now visualizing WoT as a telenovela adaptation - 09/10/2012 06:59:11 PM 749 Views
everything about Lanfear screams TeleNovela! - 11/10/2012 04:38:03 AM 698 Views
Por ella, soy Luisa Therin? - 11/10/2012 05:44:32 AM 777 Views
All of the names would have to be longer and more pompous - 11/10/2012 03:54:30 PM 648 Views
Not in this particular telenovela adaptation - 11/10/2012 05:48:06 PM 996 Views
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. - 09/10/2012 02:21:20 PM 839 Views
It also has Faulknerian allusions - 09/10/2012 07:04:55 PM 820 Views
BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? - 10/10/2012 08:06:18 PM 1047 Views
Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? - 10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM 792 Views
The One Power doesn't seem that unique or innovative to me. - 11/10/2012 04:05:06 PM 687 Views
Re: So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant? - 11/10/2012 10:52:01 AM 757 Views
It will have meant.. . - 11/10/2012 06:59:43 PM 739 Views
So... - 11/10/2012 07:05:41 PM 800 Views
For me, yes. - 11/10/2012 07:45:25 PM 673 Views
I would think for most the money spent wasn't too bad - 11/10/2012 08:07:49 PM 940 Views
I got my money's worth, oh yes. - 12/10/2012 07:59:58 PM 720 Views
I'm not sure it means anything. - 11/10/2012 08:10:45 PM 872 Views
I'm not sure there is too much meaning - 15/10/2012 05:57:57 PM 756 Views

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