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Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? DomA Send a noteboard - 10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM
It was apparently Faulkner's desire to color-code the text based on the time, so Folio went and did it.

On the relative merit of Wheel of Time, it is obviously more complex than a D&D adventure. I might argue that the world building was very poorly executed (from the Tolkienesque shape of Randland to the absolutely abysmal Old Tongue and universal "modern" tongue), but the storytelling was generally good, at least for the first six books.


I fully agree the linguistic aspect in WOT is absurd and one of the worst elements of the world building. Over here we were cut from regular contact with French culture for less than two hundred years (from the conquest to around the time of the invention of radio) and just in that time, the French revolution had been enough to send the language in a new direction, to the point the average Canadien and the average Français could understand each other with much difficulty around 1910, except for clerics, priests, seminarists and a few decades later, media people (and the older people in Normandy, as tons of turns of phrase, regionalisms and the accent come from their patois that hasn't changed much since the 18th century). That the Seanchan could impose their language, fine, but that their language et the Westlands' have evolved exactly the same way over a millenium is lunacy. I wouldn't have minded so much had Jordan simply admit it was contrived so he could avoid having interprets in relationships such as Tuon/Mat, but to try to defend the logic of it was stubborn nonsense from a man who hated he cheated when he cheated.

That said, you have to admit the linguistic elements play a very minor role in WOT's world building, barely any at all in comparison to the place of languages in Tolkien.

I think RJ's best element of world building remains the One Power. It was fairly innovative and original when WOT began, a "magic system" as you could find in early RPGs, but originating in a science that had devolved into something no longer fully understood as such, more like a craft, is also quite interesting, even more because RJ chose to depart from the cliché of spells. That this magic power, the substance of God (presumably), served to mirror or echo most of the themes of the story is also interesting.

That Jordan chose to develop plots that respected the basic cosmology that reality is made of patterns within patterns is another interesting element.

It's a matter of tastes in the end, but personally I've had far more problems, especially in the early series, with mechanistic way RJ created "cultures" by merging existing ones purely on whims, and disregarding anthropology or sociology. The Cairhienin remains for me the most abysmal example, in TGH most of all.

As for storytelling, I personally prefer the pace and focus of the mid to late series (the first WOT book I actually liked was TSR, in the late series only TPOD really bugs me). There's dividing line on this issue is most often between those who read WOT for entertaiment, and those for who discussing and theorizing had become a hobby they enjoyed.

I don't enjoy so much the early books, as to me the first three are clearly one of the slowest introduction to a Fantasy series, period. RJ's original plan was to introduce the series with a novel that went from Rand leaving the TR, having received his father's sword, to Rand getting the sword that proclaimed him as LTT's rebirth.

Instead of sticking to that, a good plan, RJ gave us three "iterations" of the Ishamael/Rand confrontation.

TGH in particular (to my tastes, the worst WOT book by a long shot) accomplished extremely little for a book so large, it's an overstretched chase sequence, inverting the roles of hunter and prey from EOTW.
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So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant? - 08/10/2012 09:47:49 PM 1993 Views
Years of enjoyment. What else do you expect from fiction? - 08/10/2012 10:17:30 PM 995 Views
I expect a lot from fiction, to be honest - 09/10/2012 02:43:59 AM 1014 Views
HAHAHA! - 08/10/2012 10:17:58 PM 1045 Views
Yeah, the use of my time does matter - 09/10/2012 02:45:15 AM 962 Views
Not sure I'd call it mindless - 09/10/2012 02:53:00 AM 933 Views
Well, it is a bit more complex than a D&D novel - 09/10/2012 02:55:40 AM 959 Views
I'm not really a huge fiction reader to begin with - 09/10/2012 11:25:34 PM 836 Views
I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers - 11/10/2012 05:48:02 AM 924 Views
Re: I've noticed that quite a few here/wotmania have not been big fiction (fantasy) readers - 12/10/2012 05:11:20 PM 866 Views
I like the TV series ... It's gritty - 13/10/2012 11:44:06 PM 822 Views
Well... it's a bit late in the game... - 09/10/2012 02:04:16 AM 1074 Views
True, but it's never too late to ask people such questions - 09/10/2012 02:49:28 AM 838 Views
I'm not sure... - 09/10/2012 06:03:08 AM 861 Views
Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 09/10/2012 06:43:50 PM 902 Views
Re: Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 09/10/2012 11:08:49 PM 1004 Views
Re: Well, we may be in closer agreement then - 11/10/2012 06:14:27 AM 807 Views
Re: I'm not sure... - 11/10/2012 06:15:26 PM 832 Views
There's a reason for this... - 09/10/2012 02:11:21 AM 949 Views
True - 09/10/2012 02:54:12 AM 973 Views
Re: True - 09/10/2012 06:19:42 AM 881 Views
I am now visualizing WoT as a telenovela adaptation - 09/10/2012 06:59:11 PM 833 Views
everything about Lanfear screams TeleNovela! - 11/10/2012 04:38:03 AM 779 Views
Por ella, soy Luisa Therin? - 11/10/2012 05:44:32 AM 857 Views
All of the names would have to be longer and more pompous - 11/10/2012 03:54:30 PM 695 Views
Not in this particular telenovela adaptation - 11/10/2012 05:48:06 PM 1091 Views
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. - 09/10/2012 02:21:20 PM 913 Views
It also has Faulknerian allusions - 09/10/2012 07:04:55 PM 897 Views
BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? - 10/10/2012 08:06:18 PM 1137 Views
Re: BTW, did you see the Folio Society's color-coded The Sound and the Fury? - 10/10/2012 09:39:56 PM 866 Views
The One Power doesn't seem that unique or innovative to me. - 11/10/2012 04:05:06 PM 757 Views
Re: So when the book/series ends, what will it have all meant? - 11/10/2012 10:52:01 AM 835 Views
Ah, where would we be without such bright lights like you around? - 11/10/2012 05:59:48 PM 1030 Views
It will have meant.. . - 11/10/2012 06:59:43 PM 824 Views
So... - 11/10/2012 07:05:41 PM 863 Views
For me, yes. - 11/10/2012 07:45:25 PM 741 Views
I would think for most the money spent wasn't too bad - 11/10/2012 08:07:49 PM 1019 Views
I got my money's worth, oh yes. - 12/10/2012 07:59:58 PM 798 Views
I'm not sure it means anything. - 11/10/2012 08:10:45 PM 945 Views
I'm not sure there is too much meaning - 15/10/2012 05:57:57 PM 847 Views

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