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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
I think it would have been a better story to introduce Hessalam in TOM after her escape caused the death of Aran'gar. I worry that this new twist will simply give no time to really develop and may be distracting to the rest of the book unless something along the lines of what you describe turns out to be the case.

I do think we'll see the last vestiges of Mesaana's WT plots ... Perhaps carried out by Hessalam or Moghedien. Hard to say if Mesaana had subverted Novices (I would actually like to see that), but at the very least there are still like 100 BA women floating around out there in need of a Boss ... Alviarin and her group will likely be little more than sacrificial lambs, but that is one loose end I can't imagine being left unresolved.


I get the feeling the BA will be undetrained in the OP and mostly useful because of all they know about the Westlands at the higher levels - good for hit-and-runs and targeted missions and so on. I expect Demandred's women will rather be full soldiers, trained WoS style. Aside from Shadowspawn, I frankly don't expect Demandred to have bothered much with non-channelers. Why would he? They hold down channelers for transportation, they need to eat and they can't be equipped with advanced weapons that would let them face channelers as it was the case in the WOS.

The Light has two big disadvantages over Demandred, and that's the fact most of their armies are "traditional" and mundane, and unlike the Shadow they have tons of cities and population to defend, all over the place.

To save Caemlyn, it would have taken a mixed gender force bigger than what Rand had at the Pendaloan manor, as many of those mass destruction weaves just couldn't be used in a city where you mustn't kill the population.... and that was mostly just Shadowspawn, I dread to imagine what it will be like when the Shadow puts its dreadlords on the field en masse.

Now pretty much all the Light can do for Caemlyn is send the channelers to raze it so the Shadow doesn't hold a city in the heart of the Westlands.





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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3169 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1428 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1385 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1255 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1309 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1189 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 684 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1173 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1120 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1165 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1153 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1041 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 994 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1356 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1319 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1216 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 687 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1117 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1522 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 969 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1355 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1076 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1122 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1051 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1292 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1300 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1138 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1322 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1375 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1075 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1078 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1202 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1538 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1021 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1076 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1139 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1251 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1067 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1275 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1750 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1067 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1162 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1310 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 972 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 940 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1047 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1043 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1020 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1052 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1061 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1102 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1143 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 943 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1079 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1056 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 941 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1087 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 944 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1258 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 999 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 890 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 882 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 992 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 945 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 912 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1045 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 979 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 937 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 895 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 993 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 984 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1052 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 867 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 912 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1072 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 793 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 952 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 970 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 930 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 877 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1124 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1012 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 911 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 953 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1031 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1090 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 993 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1063 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1022 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1049 Views

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