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Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM
Given the Bell Curve we know exists, Moiraine needs to be closer to the 50 mark with standard AS falling closer to the 20-30 range. We know from Cadsuane that Moiraine is strong enough to be considered somewhat rare, but that there should be dozens more like her if the Tower was more willing to find them. Moiraine is likely right around the middle of the Bell with Cadsuane being far enough into the "rare" category that other AS have not randomly encountered other women in her strength range. Minimum for Cadsuane is likely around 60, probably higher given the quotes about sharp drops and the several women between her and Moiraine, she could be as high as 65-70, but there is really no way to tell for certain, all we know for sure is that she is quiete a bit stronger than Moiraine, and weaker than Egwene by some unknown margin.

Cadsuane also sheds light on AS mentality in general which likely explains why even the stronger women seem weak. She thinks it's surprising that so few AS innovate with the Power. Rather they learn the standard weaves taught at the Tower and accept that this is the way things work. IMO if more AS worked out alternative weaves to perform certain feats (i.e. worked to their strengths) they would likely seem more Powerful. We've even seen an example of this with Romanda who admits that she does not have the aptitude with the new Healing Weaves as she did with the original, but that there were many "older novices" who showed great promise with the new weaves, yet Romanda seems to have no interest in attempting to work out additional weaves that may play up her abilities and thus will eventually seem less effective. AS rely on raw strength which won't always allow them to accomplish a task. Perhaps Aviendha's Travel Weave would allow more AS to create larger gateways, or Cadsuanes differing fireball weaves would give more As significant ability there.

IMO at least part of why the FS appear so much more Powerful is that they were trained to thier specific strengths and then they each clearly innovated based on their personal strengths. Just knowing how to use the ability to its maximum effect gives the FS a huge edge ... And remember that they generally consider training and skills more than strength went they are sizing other channelers up. As Graendal said to Sammael, she would not risk Strength and Skill in the same place.

One last minor point is that Moghedien has met with other FS off screen even prior to being mind trapped. Graendal and she had semi-regular meets, Graendal tells Sammael that she suspected Moghedien was dead because she missed their planned meeting. Yes she is clearly the weakest of the FS, but she is also clearly strong enough and skilled enough to be in their ranks and senior enough amongst the larger pool in the AoL that she was attending top tier FS planning meetings and was one of the handful the DO allowed to use the True Power... And he only accepts the most Powerful by his own admission. Personally I think she has been her own worst enemy... Her cowardice seems to be the main reason she hides in the shadows and developed her kill from behind strategies. She could easily be as high as a 90 and would still be laughed off by the others because they know she is too chicken to confront them ... Much like Aginor, clearly of vast strength, but too meek to face off with those close in Power or even slightly weaker.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1860 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 758 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 775 Views
Yes, you are probably correct - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 874 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 677 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 713 Views
I find that unlikely - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 681 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 649 Views
Well.... - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 718 Views
Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 719 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 749 Views
Re: Well there we have it - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 685 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 760 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 399 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 663 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 666 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 804 Views
- 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 621 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 649 Views
Yes! And...? - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 658 Views
Yes I would agree with that - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 810 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 581 Views
No - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 669 Views
That makes no sense. - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 736 Views
Correct. - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 682 Views
Re: Correct. - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 671 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1115 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 599 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 691 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 541 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 745 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 332 Views
But... - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 547 Views
And - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 648 Views
Yes - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 798 Views
Re: Yes - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 705 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 762 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 730 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 631 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 627 Views
What Rand is doing... - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 748 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 550 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 619 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 718 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 663 Views
On gateways - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 706 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 897 Views
I suspect he knows that... - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 616 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 668 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 616 Views
But Shielding is also relative. - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1878 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 662 Views

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