Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM
Given the Bell Curve we know exists, Moiraine needs to be closer to the 50 mark with standard AS falling closer to the 20-30 range. We know from Cadsuane that Moiraine is strong enough to be considered somewhat rare, but that there should be dozens more like her if the Tower was more willing to find them. Moiraine is likely right around the middle of the Bell with Cadsuane being far enough into the "rare" category that other AS have not randomly encountered other women in her strength range. Minimum for Cadsuane is likely around 60, probably higher given the quotes about sharp drops and the several women between her and Moiraine, she could be as high as 65-70, but there is really no way to tell for certain, all we know for sure is that she is quiete a bit stronger than Moiraine, and weaker than Egwene by some unknown margin.
Cadsuane also sheds light on AS mentality in general which likely explains why even the stronger women seem weak. She thinks it's surprising that so few AS innovate with the Power. Rather they learn the standard weaves taught at the Tower and accept that this is the way things work. IMO if more AS worked out alternative weaves to perform certain feats (i.e. worked to their strengths) they would likely seem more Powerful. We've even seen an example of this with Romanda who admits that she does not have the aptitude with the new Healing Weaves as she did with the original, but that there were many "older novices" who showed great promise with the new weaves, yet Romanda seems to have no interest in attempting to work out additional weaves that may play up her abilities and thus will eventually seem less effective. AS rely on raw strength which won't always allow them to accomplish a task. Perhaps Aviendha's Travel Weave would allow more AS to create larger gateways, or Cadsuanes differing fireball weaves would give more As significant ability there.
IMO at least part of why the FS appear so much more Powerful is that they were trained to thier specific strengths and then they each clearly innovated based on their personal strengths. Just knowing how to use the ability to its maximum effect gives the FS a huge edge ... And remember that they generally consider training and skills more than strength went they are sizing other channelers up. As Graendal said to Sammael, she would not risk Strength and Skill in the same place.
One last minor point is that Moghedien has met with other FS off screen even prior to being mind trapped. Graendal and she had semi-regular meets, Graendal tells Sammael that she suspected Moghedien was dead because she missed their planned meeting. Yes she is clearly the weakest of the FS, but she is also clearly strong enough and skilled enough to be in their ranks and senior enough amongst the larger pool in the AoL that she was attending top tier FS planning meetings and was one of the handful the DO allowed to use the True Power... And he only accepts the most Powerful by his own admission. Personally I think she has been her own worst enemy... Her cowardice seems to be the main reason she hides in the shadows and developed her kill from behind strategies. She could easily be as high as a 90 and would still be laughed off by the others because they know she is too chicken to confront them ... Much like Aginor, clearly of vast strength, but too meek to face off with those close in Power or even slightly weaker.
Cadsuane also sheds light on AS mentality in general which likely explains why even the stronger women seem weak. She thinks it's surprising that so few AS innovate with the Power. Rather they learn the standard weaves taught at the Tower and accept that this is the way things work. IMO if more AS worked out alternative weaves to perform certain feats (i.e. worked to their strengths) they would likely seem more Powerful. We've even seen an example of this with Romanda who admits that she does not have the aptitude with the new Healing Weaves as she did with the original, but that there were many "older novices" who showed great promise with the new weaves, yet Romanda seems to have no interest in attempting to work out additional weaves that may play up her abilities and thus will eventually seem less effective. AS rely on raw strength which won't always allow them to accomplish a task. Perhaps Aviendha's Travel Weave would allow more AS to create larger gateways, or Cadsuanes differing fireball weaves would give more As significant ability there.
IMO at least part of why the FS appear so much more Powerful is that they were trained to thier specific strengths and then they each clearly innovated based on their personal strengths. Just knowing how to use the ability to its maximum effect gives the FS a huge edge ... And remember that they generally consider training and skills more than strength went they are sizing other channelers up. As Graendal said to Sammael, she would not risk Strength and Skill in the same place.
One last minor point is that Moghedien has met with other FS off screen even prior to being mind trapped. Graendal and she had semi-regular meets, Graendal tells Sammael that she suspected Moghedien was dead because she missed their planned meeting. Yes she is clearly the weakest of the FS, but she is also clearly strong enough and skilled enough to be in their ranks and senior enough amongst the larger pool in the AoL that she was attending top tier FS planning meetings and was one of the handful the DO allowed to use the True Power... And he only accepts the most Powerful by his own admission. Personally I think she has been her own worst enemy... Her cowardice seems to be the main reason she hides in the shadows and developed her kill from behind strategies. She could easily be as high as a 90 and would still be laughed off by the others because they know she is too chicken to confront them ... Much like Aginor, clearly of vast strength, but too meek to face off with those close in Power or even slightly weaker.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength
11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM
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Yes, you are probably correct
12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM
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Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed
12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM
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The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4?
12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM
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I find that unlikely
12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM
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Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR?
13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM
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Well....
13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM
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Well there we have it
13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM
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Re: Well there we have it
13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM
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Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve...
14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM
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That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM*
14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM
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Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM
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Re: Where would you place Egwene though?
14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe...
14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM
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14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM
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The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ...
14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM
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Yes I would agree with that
14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM
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Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane
14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM
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So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM
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Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post...
15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM
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There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM
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Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements...
17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM
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Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning...
17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM
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Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength
30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM
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Yes
13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM
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Re: Yes
13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM
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Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry,
13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM
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There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex.
13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM
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None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it...
13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM
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But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will.
13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM
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Wait.. I DIDN'T write that!
14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM
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Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:"
17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM
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On gateways
18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM
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Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha.
19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM
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I suspect he knows that...
19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM
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