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I disagree redqueen Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM
Firstly I don't think that the oaths make a promise binding. What they do is to make sure that when the promice is being made the Aes Sedai making it believes she will keep the promice. She can always change her mind.



The first Oath means you cannot lie, and if you make a promise, and then break it, you have lied. I don't think an Aes Sedai is capable of that.



Seconldy you seem to be suggesting Redqueen that Elaida should take one for the team and sacrafice herself to keep traveling out of the hands of the Seanchan and if possible take out a few of them with her. With another Aes Sedai that would be quite reasonable but in Elaida's eyes she is the team. What is good for her is good for the Tower.

Lastly I doubt if Elaida is fully broken yet, her outburst certainly suggest that she has a bit to go but Elaida is the very epitamy of hard versus strong. Elaida is hard and hence very fragile as opposed to strong. Take away all her authority, put her in a position where even the lowest servant does not give a damn about her opinion on anything and I could see her starting to crack very easily.


You're quite right. Elaida is one of the most egocentric characters in the series, moreso than some of the Forsaken, even. But I disagree with you that she is fragile. I think Elaida will hold out surprisingly long, first out of resentment at her new status, and later on out of pride. Even if they break her, she'll be like Alivia - she'll snap back to herself if she's ever freed.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2053 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 954 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 875 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1032 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 460 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 759 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 420 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 367 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 777 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 665 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 762 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 765 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 698 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 827 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 691 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 781 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 758 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 637 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 692 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 800 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 720 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 634 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 330 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1060 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 854 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 687 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 716 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 331 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 377 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 333 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 329 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 690 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 754 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 722 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 743 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 332 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 273 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 350 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 685 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 836 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 760 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 320 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 292 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 337 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 662 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 655 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 665 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 873 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 665 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1034 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 658 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 717 Views
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