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Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM
The Wise Ones are supposed to be the authority figures regarding the Dreamworld but there's one very basic thing they never showed any evidence of knowing:

When you are in Teleranriod your very soul is your body there and if you die you will never be reborn.

This gap in their knowledge is simply horrible.

I hoped that Perrin will tell Egwene this during their meeting in dream-Tower. That she would realize that she hadn't just killed Nicole she'd killed her forever.


keep silent and not interact with people in TaR. They get a special deal, and are probably folks who care a lot about responsibility and duty, like Birgitte and her guy. But regular folks - Else Grinwell, some of those Congars or Coplins, HERID FEL - they would be all over our heroes. The Congars would be complaining, and Herid would be telling Rand about death and how to win TG.

Your reaction is strong and bombastic, but Egwene's never been the source of all knowledge. The WO play down their abilities a lot, although they do talk in absolutes. Did you never notice that Moggy and Lanfear never talked about going to TaR to find Perrin's family and use them against him?...
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Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod guttering flame - 02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM 1958 Views
IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM 1161 Views
Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM 763 Views
And who would enforce those rules? j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM 881 Views
Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM 755 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM 963 Views
Re: How do you figure? malekithe - 02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM 1051 Views
may, being the operative word. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM 875 Views
except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM* nigelgoboom - 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM 420 Views
mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"? LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM 879 Views
right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something *NM* nigelgoboom - 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM 446 Views
This doesn't make a lot of sense guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:37:02 AM 817 Views
They also told Perrin that about... j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:55:57 AM 963 Views
yes, that is another confounding factor LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:14:35 AM 819 Views
Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM 922 Views
Re: Oh, I see. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM 930 Views
Re: Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM 857 Views
He isn't a wolfbrother Timthetrolloc - 03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM 895 Views
Maybe he hadn't discovered it yet. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 06:21:22 AM 798 Views
He'd be a shadowbrother-brother guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:51:59 AM 729 Views
You raise an interesting possibility guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM 993 Views
Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM 754 Views
I thought they were just a transitional thing guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM 840 Views
I doubt it, that Age is ours. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM 754 Views
Uhm, TOTALLY. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 10:00:01 PM 713 Views
GASP! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 06:59:09 AM 493 Views
I know RJ said something guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM 729 Views
Re: I know RJ said something Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM 812 Views
So... guttering flame - 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM 837 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM 796 Views
Of course... DomA - 05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM 886 Views
If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age guttering flame - 06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM 862 Views
I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. LadyLorraine - 06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM 793 Views
I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM 417 Views
Re: I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. guttering flame - 06/12/2010 08:14:15 AM 777 Views
uhm, duh, stonehedge. LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:11:44 PM 747 Views
No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM 861 Views
That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM 925 Views
Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM 872 Views
It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM 801 Views
You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM 819 Views
Don't forget the Heroes guttering flame - 03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM 703 Views
I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version Apsalar Shadowdancer - 03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM 759 Views
Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson? guttering flame - 03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM 772 Views
that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM 489 Views
Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM 588 Views
Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM 788 Views
So it's my evidence against your non-evidence? guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM 848 Views
why are you assuming that all souls are the same? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM 1058 Views
1. You're wrong. 2. Even if you're right, how would they know? beetnemesis - 03/12/2010 05:28:33 AM 1006 Views
Maybe, but I bet they can spell it. Joel - 03/12/2010 05:43:28 AM 836 Views
Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM 417 Views
I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM 703 Views
Where does that reasoning begin? Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM 1269 Views
Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM 683 Views
But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know. Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM 702 Views
maybe it does? LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM 1033 Views
So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM 402 Views
I don't think so. It's not really something that's discussed LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 03:19:37 AM 564 Views
I'm pondering too darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 03:04:10 PM 862 Views
Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM 881 Views
that would have been decidedly clever. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:52 PM 360 Views
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