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You raise an interesting possibility guttering flame Send a noteboard - 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM
All right, that would be reasonable. But Wolf souls die for good in the Dreamworld because that's where dead wolves go. Aside from Heroes of the Horn, dead humans don't go to the Dreamworld, do they?


RJ said there's an afterworld where souls go to await rebirth. If it's TAR for humans too, it's not in the same dimension of TAR.
Hopper had no idea where humans go.

My hunch is that wolfbrothers become wolves in TAR after they die however, so perhaps Hopper's warning is true enough for Perrin. It may also be true if you die in TAR while there in the flesh. Perhaps your soul then becomes "lost", unable to reach the "soul pool".

Hopper may be quite wrong too, even about the wolves. Perhaps the wolves that die in TAR simply stop being reincarnated as wolves to rejoin the soul pool, and that's why the wolves believe these souls have died the final death (perhaps the souls of those wolves that died in TAR when they are reborn as human become wolfbrothers?). As RJ pointed out, souls are immortal - not even balefire can destroy them. It's very curious that dying in TAR while not incarnated (or even when incarnated) would destroy your soul. I suspect only Shai'tan can destroy souls.

Depending if Rand literally "dies" or not, I guess we might learn more about the afterlife in the last book.


But both the wolves and the Heroes of the Horns say how final death in TAR is for them.

If they're both wrong than I'm wrong but if they're right I should be right about the human dreamers as well. TAR seems to have a lot of subsections. A part that reflects the real world, a part that houses the Heroes of the Horn, a part that looks like the eternal hunting grounds, parts reflecting other worlds and so forth. Soul-pool should be a part of it as well. Non-heroic humans shouldn't be a unique phenomenon among all other living beings.

Also, if the wolves Slyaer killed became wolf-brothers would there now be hundreds of brother-babies and toddlers? The new age is looking to be a technological age, not a mythical one so that wouldn't fit in. I had a thought that one of the Dragon's tasks is to right all the wrongs the DO wrought, chief among them restoring all the souls he destroyed, swallowed, twisted, killed and used.
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Egwene and the WIse Ones don't know the most basic thing about Teleranriod guttering flame - 02/12/2010 10:43:16 PM 2025 Views
IIRC Nicola was killed by a Black Ajah Sister and Egwene had tried to save her. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 10:52:01 PM 1220 Views
Yes, I meant allowing her near the battle in the first place guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:28:45 AM 827 Views
And who would enforce those rules? j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:42:33 PM 957 Views
Also, I'm not sure how you could expect the Wise Ones to know that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:51:43 PM 834 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 10:55:15 PM 1028 Views
Re: How do you figure? malekithe - 02/12/2010 11:06:29 PM 1113 Views
may, being the operative word. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:12:49 PM 944 Views
except for the part of the soul that stays in the sleeping body, like they've explained many times. *NM* nigelgoboom - 02/12/2010 11:16:43 PM 443 Views
mmm fair point. maybe if you were there "too strongly"? LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:18:50 PM 939 Views
right. but i dont think 'too strongly' ever means completely. maybe in the flesh or something *NM* nigelgoboom - 03/12/2010 01:24:38 AM 471 Views
This doesn't make a lot of sense guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:37:02 AM 882 Views
They also told Perrin that about... j-whitt987 - 03/12/2010 12:55:57 AM 1030 Views
yes, that is another confounding factor LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:14:35 AM 888 Views
Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2010 11:45:37 PM 993 Views
Re: Oh, I see. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:29:30 AM 994 Views
Re: Oh, I see. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 02:45:59 AM 923 Views
He isn't a wolfbrother Timthetrolloc - 03/12/2010 05:43:06 AM 963 Views
Maybe he hadn't discovered it yet. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 06:21:22 AM 861 Views
He'd be a shadowbrother-brother guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:51:59 AM 803 Views
You raise an interesting possibility guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:44:18 AM 1055 Views
Wolfbrothers are going to be part of the next age. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 07:05:30 AM 819 Views
I thought they were just a transitional thing guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:13:17 AM 908 Views
I doubt it, that Age is ours. Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:33:03 PM 808 Views
Uhm, TOTALLY. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 10:00:01 PM 778 Views
GASP! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 06:59:09 AM 517 Views
I know RJ said something guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:15:51 AM 793 Views
Re: I know RJ said something Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:05:50 AM 884 Views
So... guttering flame - 04/12/2010 07:24:07 AM 901 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 10:12:45 AM 861 Views
Of course... DomA - 05/12/2010 08:21:05 PM 956 Views
If the first age is the Technological / Scientific Age guttering flame - 06/12/2010 06:33:18 AM 923 Views
I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. LadyLorraine - 06/12/2010 07:04:08 AM 861 Views
I don't even know why they're supposed to be mutually exclusive. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2010 07:37:35 AM 442 Views
Re: I don't see why they would have to be unique themes. guttering flame - 06/12/2010 08:14:15 AM 843 Views
uhm, duh, stonehedge. LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:11:44 PM 811 Views
No, because Heroes and Wolves are both different from run of the mill humans LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:19:05 AM 928 Views
That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 11:17:46 PM 1002 Views
Re: That's far from "the most basic" thing and it is entirely excusable that they do not know it. DomA - 03/12/2010 02:42:39 AM 948 Views
It could be extrapolated from the fact that it's souls that inhabit it guttering flame - 03/12/2010 06:54:40 AM 868 Views
You're caving to bias from being outside the story with more information than any single character. LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:13:12 AM 882 Views
Don't forget the Heroes guttering flame - 03/12/2010 09:34:43 AM 765 Views
I think that she meant that comment as more for the "hero" version Apsalar Shadowdancer - 03/12/2010 10:57:38 AM 831 Views
Maybe this should be a question for Sanderson? guttering flame - 03/12/2010 11:43:54 AM 839 Views
that's only because you're stubbornly holding to yours, despite everyone indicating its errors *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 05:29:15 PM 509 Views
Obviously my tenacity indicates that I have a worthy point guttering flame - 03/12/2010 07:06:18 PM 656 Views
Perrin doesn't count since his information is from Hopper LadyLorraine - 03/12/2010 09:58:01 PM 854 Views
So it's my evidence against your non-evidence? guttering flame - 04/12/2010 06:05:41 AM 919 Views
why are you assuming that all souls are the same? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:10 PM 1123 Views
1. You're wrong. 2. Even if you're right, how would they know? beetnemesis - 03/12/2010 05:28:33 AM 1070 Views
Maybe, but I bet they can spell it. Joel - 03/12/2010 05:43:28 AM 912 Views
Incidentally, wouldn't that mean it is safer to go to Tel'aran'rhiod in the flesh? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/12/2010 09:35:21 PM 432 Views
I'm more inclined to believe that being killed in the flesh in TAR darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 07:35:15 PM 773 Views
Where does that reasoning begin? Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 07:53:42 PM 1344 Views
Perhaps it's more of a matter that the "usual route" may be altered? LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 10:20:51 PM 751 Views
But human souls don't go to Tel'aran'rhiod, from what we know. Fanatic-Templar - 04/12/2010 11:19:53 PM 770 Views
maybe it does? LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 12:18:05 AM 1103 Views
So do we have any reason to believe this is the case? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2010 02:48:48 AM 424 Views
I don't think so. It's not really something that's discussed LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 03:19:37 AM 633 Views
I'm pondering too darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 03:04:10 PM 932 Views
Not @ all - if humans regularly go to TAR after they die, we'd have seen it already. Heroes would newyorkersedai - 04/12/2010 01:28:45 AM 955 Views
that would have been decidedly clever. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:18:52 PM 385 Views
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