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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1684 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 858 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 912 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 719 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 821 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 886 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 885 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 782 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 818 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 744 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 799 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 723 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 704 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 721 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 688 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 830 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 425 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 704 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 823 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 753 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 679 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 697 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1230 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 716 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 734 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 745 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 617 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 697 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 829 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 850 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 701 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 435 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 408 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 335 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 388 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 775 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 615 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 717 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 518 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 832 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 675 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 364 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 392 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 417 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 681 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 895 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 836 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 652 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 729 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 600 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 742 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 614 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 750 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 720 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 674 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1005 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 690 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 633 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 692 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 786 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 739 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 728 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 710 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 685 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 673 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 663 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 650 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 670 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 742 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 532 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 631 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 661 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 694 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 695 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 523 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 568 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 648 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 664 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 641 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 732 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 648 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 792 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 688 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 842 Views
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