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We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM
For all we know the third age references to aginors strength were based on hereditary memories of his shadowspawn armies and not on his one power ability at all.


That may be true. We only have that quote, Moiraine's quote, and a quote on Osan'gar's strength - or the strength he showed us. You can't tell with males - not even Rand could. Without the BWB we don't know Ishamael, Aginor, Demandred or Lanfear's strengths.

I don't think RJ came up with an overly elaborate plan to make pseudostrengths for the Forsaken. He's said that Aginor was 2nd in strength, and I don't see the gain in lying about it. I think that he was 2nd in strength, along with Demandred and Lanfear, but because he was a lab rab he was not good with the Power or combat.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1743 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 930 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 978 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 788 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 890 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 957 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 964 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 858 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 897 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 817 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 867 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 813 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 781 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 804 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 778 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 895 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 449 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 781 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 901 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 827 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 759 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 765 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1302 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 783 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 806 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 821 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 695 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 766 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 905 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 918 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 784 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 464 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 438 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 362 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 414 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 843 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 691 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 794 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 595 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 906 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 741 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 390 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 423 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 447 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 754 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 982 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 910 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 721 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 809 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 670 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 810 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 684 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 832 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 797 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 750 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1082 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 767 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 714 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 771 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 855 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 813 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 792 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 777 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 771 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 751 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 730 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 724 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 751 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 822 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 615 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 710 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 737 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 788 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 769 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 594 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 640 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 723 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 736 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 702 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 817 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 715 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 837 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 758 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 918 Views
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