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Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM
Semi was given the Sad Bracelets by SH.

Shaidar Haran could have conceivably found them, but I still think there was a reason Jordon/Brandon wrote the scene with Bair/Sorilea in.

One thing we know from the same book is that Sorilea is weak in the power but extremely gifted at copying flows she has seen even just once. I therefore find myself suspecting her. I think we'd need to go back through the series and look more closely at Bair and Sorilea's actions before jumping to the DF conclusion though. But this issue has bugged me for quite a while.


In the book Ch 22:

A woman in green, with brown hair, pulled back into a tail, her head bowed.
"I live to serve, Great Mistress," the woman whispered. "I am instructed to tell you that there is Compulsion in my mind you are to remove."
Semirhage raised an eyebrow; she hadn't realized there were any of the Black among the Aes Sedai here. Removing compulsion could have a very... nasty effect on a person. Even if the Compulsion were weak or subtle, the brain could be harmed seriously by removing it. If the compulsion were strong... well, it was quite interesting to watch.
"Also," the woman said, handing something forward, wrapped in cloth. "I am to give you this." She removed the cloth, revealing a dull-colored metallic collar and two bracelets. The Domination Band.

Do we know who laid the compulsion on Elza? I kinda thought she had been compelled to go retrieve the bracelets, but I remember Verin went around Compelling people in one of the books and I can't remember if Elza was one of them. I don't think any of the Wise Ones with Rand are darkfriends. Plenty of the Aes Sedai are, but not WO's. I'm sure some Wise Ones are DFs, but I kinda figure those are with the Shaido lol.
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? Joel - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3672 Views
Maybe they found it with need? Cannoli - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1001 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. Lord Haart - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1290 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past darius_sedai - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1116 Views
Another good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1074 Views
A good point. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 865 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. CatherineSedai - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1042 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1129 Views
Would that work, I wonder? Joel - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 916 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 711 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? Skeeve the Great - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 950 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. Joel - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 879 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... DomA - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1048 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? darius_sedai - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 826 Views
I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 954 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 986 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero Sidious - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 918 Views
I agree scalius - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 924 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero DomA - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 914 Views
I agree as well Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 858 Views
Sensing the TP Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 730 Views
Re: Sensing the TP Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 699 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: Joel - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 884 Views
It seems... Etzel - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 843 Views
Re: It seems... DomA - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 864 Views
Hmmm.... Etzel - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 664 Views
Good points DomA - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 987 Views
That's a good observation scalius - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 858 Views
But there isn't anything magical in the sword preparing process, is there? Lordling - 29/06/2010 09:02:58 PM 682 Views
but the swords wear out over time so it could mean that the effect is only a temporary binding darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 09:07:01 PM 943 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* Etzel - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 770 Views
Some thoughts Sidious - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 748 Views
Elza didn't use the true power Timthetrolloc - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 828 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power DomA - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 982 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 801 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 907 Views
About use of the TP scalius - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 953 Views
UR WRONG Deadsy - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 845 Views
AM NOT111 Joel - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 668 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF Etzel - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 744 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. Joel - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 833 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. DomA - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 642 Views
I think it is Sorilea RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 770 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea DomA - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 842 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much darius_sedai - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 756 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ Etzel - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 777 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much DomA - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 897 Views
you are likley correct darius_sedai - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 767 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 852 Views
Perrin comes to mind. Anything to save Faile. He's been DF all alonng! who'd have guessed? *NM* Lohikaarme - 08/07/2010 01:08:24 PM 418 Views
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