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It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.

That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.

Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.


Rand's lack of knowledge of how to counter saidar was his major deficiency here.

But the fact remains, to shield someone already holding the Source is almost impossible unless you are significantly stronger than they are, or FAR more skilled than they are.

Is Lanfear Much stronger or much more skilled than Lews Therin? NO. Therefore, she cannot shield him at his full potential and skill level.


Nynaeve could as easily have shielded Talaan, but Talaan was too deft for her.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2042 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1122 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1193 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1263 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1231 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1204 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1144 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1243 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1074 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1148 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 980 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1048 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1053 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 926 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 938 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1105 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1049 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1027 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1023 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 982 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1069 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 916 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1031 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 950 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 986 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 998 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 954 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 993 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1013 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 993 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 934 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1916 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1105 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1023 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 982 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 950 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1129 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1147 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 930 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 979 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 980 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 963 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1118 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1128 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 984 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1100 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1118 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1052 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1017 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1076 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 827 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 846 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 918 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 799 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1074 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1081 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1018 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 993 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 577 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 936 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 485 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 864 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1038 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 995 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1047 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 940 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1070 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 805 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 410 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 914 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 998 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1182 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 854 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1105 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 896 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 937 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1074 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1053 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1138 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 985 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 981 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 912 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 810 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1117 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 975 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 994 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 965 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 982 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1021 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1116 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 966 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1019 Views
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