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It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
Let me get something straight. If Lanfear was incapable of shielding Rand at the time, he would have had no need to cut her weaves. Just like he didn't have to cut Verin and Alanna's shield, or how Graendal didn't have to cut Verin's shield at the Cleansing.

That kind of strength advantage is simply not available to Rand against Lanfear.

Now, at this time, he was as strong as Rahvin, who is as strong as Sammael, who is nearly as strong as LTT. There isn't any huge strength deficit from LTT that would magically make Rand be able to defeat Lanfear's shield in the future.


Rand's lack of knowledge of how to counter saidar was his major deficiency here.

But the fact remains, to shield someone already holding the Source is almost impossible unless you are significantly stronger than they are, or FAR more skilled than they are.

Is Lanfear Much stronger or much more skilled than Lews Therin? NO. Therefore, she cannot shield him at his full potential and skill level.


Nynaeve could as easily have shielded Talaan, but Talaan was too deft for her.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 1955 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1036 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1101 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1176 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1141 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1120 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1055 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1162 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 982 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1059 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 882 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 963 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 966 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 837 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 852 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1017 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 968 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 942 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 935 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 892 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 980 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 835 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 942 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 860 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 902 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 906 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 876 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 896 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 928 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 896 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 846 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1834 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1017 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 939 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 901 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 860 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1037 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1066 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 843 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 887 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 890 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 875 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1031 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1032 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 927 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1015 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1027 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 965 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 935 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 991 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 738 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 753 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 828 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 713 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 977 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 984 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 922 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 915 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 542 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 842 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 446 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 776 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 942 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 902 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 965 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 840 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 991 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 716 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 371 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 830 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 910 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1091 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 768 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1006 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 812 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 879 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 990 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 963 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1042 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 896 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 898 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 826 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 731 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1022 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 889 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 913 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 870 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 884 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 934 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1021 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 879 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 922 Views
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