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She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM

We've seen her do it, and he confirms that if he hadn't done something about it her weave would have settled on him.

To actually overwhelm Rand would take about 3 women of Forsaken strength. At those levels he would be able to do nothing. It would be Cyndane vs Alivia except that Alivia is very skilled - like Fionwe said. Lanfear wanted to link with two other Forsaken to assure their victory if they trapped him, so this confirms what he said. However, if one Forsaken brings him to his knees like Lanfear did, there is an opening for a shield.


Lanfear tried to cut him off, and he stopped her, without really knowing how to.

Take a step back. We KNOW that to shield someone of the SAME SEX who is already holding the source, you have to be MUCH stronger than that person, unless you are much more skilled.

We also know that it is even HARDER to shield someone of the opposite sex, meaning that your strength advantage has to be even greater.

And lastly, we KNOW Lanfear is not stronger than Lews Therin, and therefore it would be impossible for her to cut him off if he was already holding the Power.

So the obvious explanation for her coming close to succeeding in FoH, is that Rand is not at his full strength yet, and FAR, FAR from his full skill and knowledge yet.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2221 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1293 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1366 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1428 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1458 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1353 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1303 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1405 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1231 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1299 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1137 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1214 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1210 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1083 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1133 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1294 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1205 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1177 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1170 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1167 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1218 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1102 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1220 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1117 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1181 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1162 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1109 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1168 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1164 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1173 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1094 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2081 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1258 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1156 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1137 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1104 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1294 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1291 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1096 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1119 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1157 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1165 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1299 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1309 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1142 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1267 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1277 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1202 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1263 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1210 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 976 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 986 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1068 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 951 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1244 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1228 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1169 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1140 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 650 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1099 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 559 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1021 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1194 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1143 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1193 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1102 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1210 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 999 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 486 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1081 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1144 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1385 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1005 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1248 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1052 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1082 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1239 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1208 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1289 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1121 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1139 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1043 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 943 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1269 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1136 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1144 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1114 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1131 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1176 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1261 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1099 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1180 Views
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