The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
Mjolner Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM
Anyway, if you were responding to something from another subthread, wouldn't it have better fit there?
It is in this general thread, genius.
What proof is there of what? I have no idea what the song they sang was for. I don't need to. It was not related to growing crops, therefore the assumption that it was a crop-growing song is unfounded. You're the one who needs proof.
We know they sang. We don't know what song they sang. Last weekend at mother's day my neice was singing ring a round the posies... She however wasn't doing the little dance. Later she sang the Hokey pokey song. Again she didn't do the dance. Sometimes you sing a song that has a certain purpose, without doing that purpose because it accomplishes something you want. In her case it made her happy to sing it. In the Aiel's case it was a reminder of all that they and the Aes Sedai were.
'Lew Therin turned, seeming unsurprised. “Ah, a guest. Have you the Voice, stranger? It will soon be time for the Singing, and here all are welcome to take part.”'
- The Eye Of The World, Prologue
This clearly implies a seasonal event. It will soon be time for the Singing... If they Aiel just helped generally, then it wouldn't be such an ordeal. Take out the word Singing and replace it with "harvest". It fits. Now take out the world Singing and replace it with "Listening to CD's". It seems like a very odd way to say, "Wanna listen to some CD's?". However, it could be a scene right out of a book about the Purtian settlements, saying it's soon harvesttime, want to help? No one says, "It's soon time to hang up some pictures." Think about it.
Wrong. Treesinging. The Song of Saidin. And from the Guide, Da'shain Aiel were able to enhance channelling with their singing (second hand from <a href="http://13depository.blogspot.com/2009/02/age-of-legends.html">The Thirteenth Depository</a> because I don't have the Guide myself)
The Song of Saidin??? You think that counts as a separate song??? I think not. It is a way to describe the allure of saidin and the way it feels in you. That is like claiming the songs Rand played on his flute count.
As for Treesinging. I have to think Treesinging is a form of the Ogier version of the Seed Song. It makes the trees grow. Do you think the Ogier developed this talent to make beds? I think not. They used to to make things grow. Notice their love to tend the gardens of the great trees. THey are also called Ogier Gardeners. It is a part of them. Perhaps over the last 3000 years they have made some slight changes to their part of the song such that they can pull out pieces of wood from trees, or perhaps that was a side benefit of their part of the song all along. I will concede we don't know that point. Also, the Ogier were violent back then. Wouldn't they have a Fightsinging song too? Or why do they only treesing? Also why only the Nym who are clearly a conduit of the Song? Why not other constructs for other purposes... You are assuming too many new ideas and powers must exist for your theory. Plain and simple.
Actually if you won't give up at all on the Song of Saidin, I will meet you half way and grant the possibility that the Song of Saidin might have something to do with all of this. It could be how the channelling and the Seed Singing all fit together. THe Voice could connect to the Song of Saidin. Perhaps Aes Sedai with the Voice can channel Saidin to the tune of the Song of Saidin which allows the Aiel, who can, to Sing and be part of the seed singing ceremony.
You are mistaken, it was Elayne. As for facts, do provide your evidence that Da'shain Aiel used a crop growing mechanism to stop a rampaging insane male channeler. I also suggest we stick to what we do know.
I don't need to provide proof. You do. I am saying they sang a song. I suggest it might be the seed song. It could also be Kumbaya for all we know. I picked a song I know the Aiel knew, and that didn't change what we know about the Randland world. You however picked a song that multiplied their powers, changing what we know about Randland. Again, Think about it. You're LITERALLY putting words in the Aiel's mouths. Take a breath, step back and realize I might have a point here, friend.
I can't say whether or not the song will be found or if more nym will be found/made. I can say, I believe there is one song. The only one named in the whole book. Heck, we don't even know the Aiel outside the city gates weren't singing the latest Lady gaga song. Obviously they weren't, but since they didn't specify, we are just guessing what the song was. While my, intentionally silly, guess(lady gaga) is obviously wrong, it doesn't involve introducing a whole new series of powers and abilities to the novels. Yours does.
Lastly, I was a science major in school. This seems like a great time for Occam's Razor. All things being equal, the simplest one is true. (the one that doesn't involve a myriad of songs when we only know for a fact ONE exists) or as they say in medical school, "when you hear hoofbeats: think horse, not zebra"
That is all.
Lastly, I was a science major in school. This seems like a great time for Occam's Razor. All things being equal, the simplest one is true. (the one that doesn't involve a myriad of songs when we only know for a fact ONE exists) or as they say in medical school, "when you hear hoofbeats: think horse, not zebra"
That is all.
Given that you are wrong and that we do know for a fact that more than one exists, it seems that the simplest answer is that the references to Singing in obviously non crop growing situations refer to songs that have no relation to crop growing, rather than fabricating a supposed omnipotence of farming implements. As you are fond of sayings, here's a quote from Stephen Hawking: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
We STILL don't know the Aiel sang more than one Song. We know from the evidence they sang a special song during the seed singing that had "magically effects" on the crops. We know they sometimes sang at other times. We do NOT know they had similar "magical effects" at those times. Unless you're assuming that everytime an Aiel sang it had "magical effects". So, if that is the case, what particular magic properties do the Aiel "death durges" have? The songs the tinkers sang around the fire??
The Hawking quote is apt. It fits your statements. You are the one incorporating things into this that are assumptions based off of a few causal references that have no implications that they are involving any special abilities...
The Song--how it worked and why it was lost--OGIERS ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL
06/05/2010 03:25:18 AM
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there is no Song. None. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Bupkis.
06/05/2010 04:22:38 AM
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There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them.
12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM
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I don't feel like going into the Song nonsense again. As for the Tinkers/Jenn...
12/05/2010 11:51:34 PM
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They DID fail the Aes Sedai; at least in their own eyes.
16/05/2010 04:59:38 AM
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it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf
19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM
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because Rand was the very first person ever to see that at Rhuidan?
13/05/2010 05:04:40 AM
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I'm quite sure the Ogier are not artificial
06/05/2010 11:32:17 AM
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I thought RJ said something about the Ogier being from another planet?
06/05/2010 02:44:21 PM
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This can be inferred from discussion of the Book of Translation *NM*
10/05/2010 10:04:05 PM
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The song was "Hey Soul Sister" by Train. It was lost when the last ter'angreal Ipod broke.
06/05/2010 02:41:42 PM
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According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
07/05/2010 11:25:20 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
08/05/2010 08:29:39 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
09/05/2010 01:48:49 AM
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--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
08/05/2010 03:07:55 AM
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Re: --Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
10/05/2010 09:59:42 PM
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How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 12:44:22 AM
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Re: How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 01:38:36 AM
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Oh, ok. But...
09/05/2010 05:26:54 AM
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I doubt it.
09/05/2010 06:38:39 PM
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LTT asked it because he was bonkers
10/05/2010 05:22:06 AM
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I agree.
11/05/2010 12:35:43 AM
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That's not how his insanity was portrayed.
11/05/2010 02:23:08 AM
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If it weren't a Seed Song, why're the Nym needed? if not needed why did they forget how to sing?
11/05/2010 04:48:12 AM
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From where did you get the idea that Nym were needed?
11/05/2010 05:11:15 AM
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I got the part about the Nym from a sub thread in this post. One you commented on. Keep up man.
11/05/2010 05:42:14 AM
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My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think?
11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM
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The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM
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Re: The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 07:49:02 PM
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