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Re: Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece dacole Send a noteboard - 03/06/2012 06:46:45 AM
Tyrannical, idiotic bullies, no matter how stupid always have a pretty strong sense of self preservation. I thought he running from the battle at the first chance was pretty typical of his character.


But standing there posturing and sending men to fight in his stead is perfectly in character. No one would have been asking him to lead the charge, just not go inside just yet. And actually, Joffrey is exactly arrogant enough to think he can charge into a fight and sweep the foe before him. He wouldn't REALLY wet his pants and run crying to mommy until they started to fight back.

They erred by trying to make Cersei too human early on, and to continue that notion this year, they made Joffrey more of a free-willed character, rather than a playing piece being moved by Cersei or Tyrion who fought for control of him. That whole crisis was not about a failure of leadership on Joffrey's part, but on Cersei's, because she was being so short-sighted in wasting the defensive efforts merely to preserve Joffrey's safety, even Lancel started to become disillusioned with her.

And that too ties in with the contrasts between Cersei's style & Sansa's. For all that she seems stupid, Sansa is right, and more effective than Cersei & Joffrey in some ways. Meanwhile, you have Cersei ridiculing and berating Sansa for being soft and weak, but Mommy Dearest is too soft to endanger her precious baby (and in the book it was a much more relative danger, with him in good armor, on the walls, with top guards, well away from any direct combat and no one asking him to get into the fray), and in the process, loses the fear of her subjects she prizes above their love. Once they think the battle is lost & Cersei doomed, what is there to be afraid of? If the brave lioness Cersei is afraid for the King's safety, maybe everyone should be afraid, and should grab what they can and escape while they can.

This is all part of an ongoing theme where Martin SHOWS how all that pragmatic brutality is bullshit, even while he has the characters TELL us how effective or necessary it is. Cersei's terror was not enough to keep the loyalty, but Sansa's compassion saves her from the fate Cersei forewarned.


Very true and why I think humanizing cersi was a mistake. I begin to like you more...which scares me ;). We need to back to debating politics on the other thread so i can feel superior again ;).
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Game of Thrones - Season 2, Episode 9 - The Battle of Blackwater! (SPOILERS) - 28/05/2012 01:36:41 AM 1323 Views
Awesome episode. *SPOILER* - 28/05/2012 05:24:03 AM 971 Views
What was the best line of the episode? - 28/05/2012 03:22:47 PM 878 Views
Re: What was the best line of the episode? - 28/05/2012 03:33:01 PM 989 Views
Re: What was the best line of the episode? - 28/05/2012 09:45:37 PM 939 Views
That was Peter Dinklage's improvisation. - 29/05/2012 10:47:19 PM 831 Views
Re: That was Peter Dinklage's improvisation. - 30/05/2012 09:56:59 AM 829 Views
Re: What was the best line of the episode? - 29/05/2012 05:20:54 PM 819 Views
Tyrion again. - 29/05/2012 05:28:49 PM 777 Views
Is Martin now officially a whore? - 28/05/2012 08:53:37 AM 1064 Views
I agree with all but the part about Joffrey - 29/05/2012 10:51:56 AM 864 Views
Re: I agree with all but the part about Joffrey - 30/05/2012 09:59:34 AM 774 Views
Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece - 31/05/2012 06:13:24 AM 885 Views
Re: Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece - 03/06/2012 06:46:45 AM 793 Views
Really well done, maybe even the best this season - 28/05/2012 01:56:38 PM 916 Views
Re: Really well done, maybe even the best this season - 28/05/2012 04:18:39 PM 881 Views
Bronn in the books. - 28/05/2012 04:53:10 PM 901 Views
They didn't need the chain with this version of things. - 28/05/2012 06:01:08 PM 951 Views
This is a good example of a common sense TV revision..... - 29/05/2012 03:32:25 AM 1086 Views
I thought so too. - 29/05/2012 07:17:35 AM 840 Views
Re: This is a good example of a common sense TV revision..... - 30/05/2012 09:54:17 AM 740 Views
For the TV viewers, most that never read the books..... - 30/05/2012 03:58:24 PM 698 Views
Re: For the TV viewers, most that never read the books..... - 03/06/2012 06:47:57 AM 713 Views
It was during the day, late afternoon likely - 29/05/2012 03:11:57 AM 897 Views
Major spoiler question..... - 29/05/2012 03:27:43 AM 874 Views
Spoilers - 29/05/2012 03:51:30 AM 863 Views
Book spoiler - 29/05/2012 10:51:25 PM 848 Views
Still need to catch up the last 5 episodes. *NM* - 28/05/2012 02:28:49 PM 493 Views
Yes, truly amazing episode, probably the best of the entire series so far! - 28/05/2012 03:18:48 PM 804 Views
Interesting recap of the episode..... - 28/05/2012 03:20:32 PM 901 Views
The guy who plays Stannis is phenomenal. - 28/05/2012 04:36:51 PM 917 Views
Just saw the wildfire scene on youtube - 29/05/2012 06:46:20 AM 887 Views
Well..... - 29/05/2012 02:33:13 PM 771 Views
Re: Well..... - 30/05/2012 09:55:05 AM 665 Views

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