Re: Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece
dacole Send a noteboard - 03/06/2012 06:46:45 AM
Tyrannical, idiotic bullies, no matter how stupid always have a pretty strong sense of self preservation. I thought he running from the battle at the first chance was pretty typical of his character.
But standing there posturing and sending men to fight in his stead is perfectly in character. No one would have been asking him to lead the charge, just not go inside just yet. And actually, Joffrey is exactly arrogant enough to think he can charge into a fight and sweep the foe before him. He wouldn't REALLY wet his pants and run crying to mommy until they started to fight back.
They erred by trying to make Cersei too human early on, and to continue that notion this year, they made Joffrey more of a free-willed character, rather than a playing piece being moved by Cersei or Tyrion who fought for control of him. That whole crisis was not about a failure of leadership on Joffrey's part, but on Cersei's, because she was being so short-sighted in wasting the defensive efforts merely to preserve Joffrey's safety, even Lancel started to become disillusioned with her.
And that too ties in with the contrasts between Cersei's style & Sansa's. For all that she seems stupid, Sansa is right, and more effective than Cersei & Joffrey in some ways. Meanwhile, you have Cersei ridiculing and berating Sansa for being soft and weak, but Mommy Dearest is too soft to endanger her precious baby (and in the book it was a much more relative danger, with him in good armor, on the walls, with top guards, well away from any direct combat and no one asking him to get into the fray), and in the process, loses the fear of her subjects she prizes above their love. Once they think the battle is lost & Cersei doomed, what is there to be afraid of? If the brave lioness Cersei is afraid for the King's safety, maybe everyone should be afraid, and should grab what they can and escape while they can.
This is all part of an ongoing theme where Martin SHOWS how all that pragmatic brutality is bullshit, even while he has the characters TELL us how effective or necessary it is. Cersei's terror was not enough to keep the loyalty, but Sansa's compassion saves her from the fate Cersei forewarned.
Very true and why I think humanizing cersi was a mistake. I begin to like you more...which scares me . We need to back to debating politics on the other thread so i can feel superior again .
Game of Thrones - Season 2, Episode 9 - The Battle of Blackwater! (SPOILERS)
28/05/2012 01:36:41 AM
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Awesome episode. *SPOILER*
28/05/2012 05:24:03 AM
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What was the best line of the episode?
28/05/2012 03:22:47 PM
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Re: What was the best line of the episode?
28/05/2012 03:33:01 PM
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Re: What was the best line of the episode?
28/05/2012 09:45:37 PM
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Is Martin now officially a whore?
28/05/2012 08:53:37 AM
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The final version of the episode was apparently significantly rewritten by the producers.
28/05/2012 12:10:58 PM
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Hey, the chain! Did they mention it at all this year? I thought I recall someone asking me about it
31/05/2012 05:58:16 AM
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Re: Hey, the chain! Did they mention it at all this year?
31/05/2012 08:12:57 AM
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Are the ratings good? I don't usualy follow that. I get the impression the show is fairly popular...
04/06/2012 04:31:17 PM
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I agree with all but the part about Joffrey
29/05/2012 10:51:56 AM
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Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece
31/05/2012 06:13:24 AM
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Re: Yeah, but he didn't even come into the equation in the books. He was a mere playing piece
03/06/2012 06:46:45 AM
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Really well done, maybe even the best this season
28/05/2012 01:56:38 PM
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Re: Really well done, maybe even the best this season
28/05/2012 04:18:39 PM
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They didn't need the chain with this version of things.
28/05/2012 06:01:08 PM
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This is a good example of a common sense TV revision.....
29/05/2012 03:32:25 AM
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Re: This is a good example of a common sense TV revision.....
30/05/2012 09:54:17 AM
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It was during the day, late afternoon likely
29/05/2012 03:11:57 AM
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Yes, truly amazing episode, probably the best of the entire series so far!
28/05/2012 03:18:48 PM
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The guy who plays Stannis is phenomenal.
28/05/2012 04:36:51 PM
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When Stephen Dillane was announced to play Stannis, I was very concerned.....
28/05/2012 04:47:21 PM
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He and Tywin are the only two who have replaced my mental images of the characters.
29/05/2012 10:19:08 AM
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I liked this episode, but the battles were confusing and kind of a let-down.
28/05/2012 06:10:03 PM
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I haven't read the books, and the whole ending was quite a confusing sequence.
29/05/2012 03:44:29 AM
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Re: I haven't read the books, and the whole ending was quite a confusing sequence.
30/05/2012 09:58:26 AM
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But we, as viewers, are not soldiers; we're more like historians. Or gods, if you prefer.
30/05/2012 04:45:37 PM
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You're right, but I simply saw it as a way to work with their tight budget
31/05/2012 09:05:29 AM
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Re: But we, as viewers, are not soldiers; we're more like historians. Or gods, if you prefer.
03/06/2012 06:44:28 AM
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