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My premise was simply stated and based on logic. If the fetus is human then it shares the same right as any other human to not have its life extinguished.

No claim that all life is sacred.

No discussion on the nature of evil.

Just a simple binary based on the fact it is illegal in all 50 states and in Federal law to take a human life. But, of course, there are legal exceptions to those laws. And as always, the devil is in the details.


To be an atheist is to maintain God. His existence or his nonexistence, it amounts to much the same, on the plane of proof. Thus proof is a word not often used among the Handdarata, who have chosen not to treat God as a fact, subject either to proof or to belief: and they have broken the circle, and go free.
To learn which questions are unanswerable, and not to answer them: this skill is most needful in times of stress and darkness.

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Or to put it another way, Theodicy (is god just or not, from Theos god and dike as in justice but specifically moral justice as in custom)

The Problem of Evil

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum / "Let justice be done though the heavens fall"

are trying to capture the world and boil it down into language, and then turn that language into law via logic, and via that logic then create a form of policing of other people's behavior.

No it is not simple, and saying it is simple is bullshitting and also telling other people FUCK YOU!















For example in my state I can be an asshole under current law, logic, and circumstances. I can narc on my neighbor and get paid a $10,000 profit for I hate someone. I can make their life miserable and get paid for it, for I get my $10k in my little neighborhood of Houston ( hey that pays my property taxes. ) And the person whose life I am now going to ruin is now responsible for HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of legal expenses.

I get to do terrorism via legal code, I get to do something close to yet not quite the same as ratting on my neighbor during WW2 and say they are frickin dirty jews and here they are legal authorities, do what you will. What does my texas law cover, a WHOLE FRICKIN LOT

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-abortion-law-explained/

Yes this is extremely Hyperbolic, but here is the rub, it is FRICKIN' REAL and not simple. It is the truth, the stinkin' truth and not hyperbole or exaggeration.

Texas Monthly covers what you can be sued under SB8
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that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 575 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 510 Views
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The issue is abortion. - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 475 Views
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Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 461 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 499 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 515 Views
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Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 485 Views
I mean, yeah. - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 486 Views
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Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 492 Views
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Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 476 Views
And I am problematizing your claim - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 510 Views
Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 541 Views
Re: Theodicy - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 512 Views
and yet... - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 521 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 505 Views
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Have not had a drink yet. - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 478 Views
Leaked draft opinion - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 551 Views
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Results were leaked, not opinions. - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 460 Views
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“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 462 Views
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He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 473 Views
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Don't blame me for your failures. - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 435 Views
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Obvious intent my ass - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 490 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 464 Views
I cannot commit treason - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 470 Views
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Hardly just mine - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 444 Views
Interesting... - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 497 Views
Roe has restrictions - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 467 Views
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Nice try - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 442 Views
No one said that, and you know it... - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 462 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 462 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 518 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 487 Views
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So we are in agreement if we circle around - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 438 Views
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Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 694 Views
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Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 499 Views
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Cool - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 493 Views
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There is an easy answer for you. - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 495 Views

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