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Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM

about 30 years ago an obsession swept the parenting and education world to somehow make things "fair" when there is no such thing. As a result a virtual religion has formed around the concept of "protecting children" from consequences. True freedom is without, really an absence, of such protections because they limit what an individual CAN do by allowing them to only do what they SHOULD do. Our current society is a direct, and predictable, result of that philosophy. Sadly we have not yet hit the bottom of this particular well.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? The Shrike - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2266 Views
Good article. Tom - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 824 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 743 Views
This makes me especially sad. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 675 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 519 Views
Definitely a possibility. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 679 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 755 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? Tom - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 689 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. Legolas - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 692 Views
Ok, fair enough Tom - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 643 Views
Yes. I think the days of American armed intervention in Latin-America are well behind us. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:54:41 PM 664 Views
Regarding 'Make America Great Again'. Trump wasn't the first. He won't be the last. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:44:09 PM 831 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* Hieshyn - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 471 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 449 Views
Interesting damookster - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 737 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 689 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 764 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 433 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* Roland00 - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 445 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 random thoughts - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 652 Views
I still have hope The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 753 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 718 Views
So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM 708 Views
This article agrees with your assessment The Shrike - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 789 Views
I appreciate your amendment. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 975 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 691 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. nossy - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 711 Views
Most of us are very good at that random thoughts - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 709 Views
Thanks. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 640 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 702 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 674 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 626 Views
Nods Roland00 - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 649 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 825 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 703 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? damookster - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 693 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 853 Views
Stop. Now. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 634 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 672 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. The Shrike - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 701 Views
That's reasonable. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 667 Views
Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM 788 Views
Peace for our time! I agree with everything you wrote here. I'm always a sucker for more studies. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:03:31 AM 402 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist random thoughts - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 600 Views
Yeah but they don't necessarily exist for works of literature usually read at the university level The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:28:35 PM 633 Views
That is true but it could fixed if there was more demand random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:00:21 PM 646 Views
I feel like I now need a trigger warning for trigger warnings. *NM* The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:48:47 PM 488 Views
Fuck you Tom Roland00 - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 791 Views
Oh come on... Belals Girl - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 691 Views
HAHAHA! This from the person who can't even write a coherent post *NM* Tom - 20/10/2017 07:10:45 PM 427 Views
Oh please damookster - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 770 Views
Re: Oh please Ghavrel - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 724 Views
What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 674 Views
Ha! Joke's on you! We don't do interrogatories in the criminal system. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:01:54 AM 706 Views
If you are not proposing altering any literature... Tom - 22/10/2017 04:28:53 PM 662 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 673 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 607 Views
An unnecessary tool.... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 617 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 628 Views
I would challenge that statment.... Jeordam - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 801 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* random thoughts - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 399 Views
Forget it, mook. He's just being a silly, stupid kid. He should know better. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2017 06:17:28 AM 507 Views
Agreed. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 779 Views
Interesting article. Legolas - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 701 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 648 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor Cannoli - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 722 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 656 Views
I apologize before hand Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 654 Views
Only made it through page 2. Were there separate graphs for just N. American/West European nations? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:04:05 PM 629 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up nossy - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 816 Views
Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 751 Views
I hate blaming things nossy - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 757 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase Tom - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 768 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. nossy - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 816 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 654 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 391 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 652 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 696 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 637 Views
So now we are at episode 6 The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 569 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 408 Views
Yes The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 657 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 597 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 369 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* LiterateDog - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 469 Views
*NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 398 Views
*NM* The Shrike - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
Snorts / Laughs so hard that I almost lost the drink I was enjoying. *NM* Roland00 - 19/10/2017 06:00:47 AM 425 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 711 Views
Agreed with all your points. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 693 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 681 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 681 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. Legolas - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 663 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* random thoughts - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* Legolas - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 433 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 719 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 461 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail Roland00 - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 722 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 756 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 674 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 596 Views
damn it *NM* damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 366 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 678 Views
Maybe, maybe not... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 579 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. The Shrike - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 654 Views
I see this as... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 637 Views
I kind of break them down into two types Vodalus - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 743 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 710 Views
Definitely more than a bit. The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 605 Views
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