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Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM

about 30 years ago an obsession swept the parenting and education world to somehow make things "fair" when there is no such thing. As a result a virtual religion has formed around the concept of "protecting children" from consequences. True freedom is without, really an absence, of such protections because they limit what an individual CAN do by allowing them to only do what they SHOULD do. Our current society is a direct, and predictable, result of that philosophy. Sadly we have not yet hit the bottom of this particular well.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? The Shrike - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2268 Views
Good article. Tom - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 825 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 745 Views
This makes me especially sad. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 678 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 520 Views
Definitely a possibility. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 683 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 757 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? Tom - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 691 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. Legolas - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 694 Views
Ok, fair enough Tom - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 646 Views
Yes. I think the days of American armed intervention in Latin-America are well behind us. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:54:41 PM 666 Views
Regarding 'Make America Great Again'. Trump wasn't the first. He won't be the last. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:44:09 PM 834 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* Hieshyn - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 472 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 451 Views
Interesting damookster - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 737 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 690 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 766 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 434 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* Roland00 - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 446 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 random thoughts - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 654 Views
I still have hope The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 755 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 720 Views
So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM 710 Views
This article agrees with your assessment The Shrike - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 791 Views
I appreciate your amendment. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 979 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 693 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. nossy - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 712 Views
Most of us are very good at that random thoughts - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 711 Views
Thanks. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 643 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 704 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 676 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 628 Views
Nods Roland00 - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 651 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 827 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 704 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? damookster - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 695 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 854 Views
Stop. Now. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 637 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 674 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. The Shrike - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 703 Views
That's reasonable. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 668 Views
Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM 790 Views
Peace for our time! I agree with everything you wrote here. I'm always a sucker for more studies. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:03:31 AM 402 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist random thoughts - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 602 Views
Yeah but they don't necessarily exist for works of literature usually read at the university level The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:28:35 PM 634 Views
That is true but it could fixed if there was more demand random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:00:21 PM 648 Views
I feel like I now need a trigger warning for trigger warnings. *NM* The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:48:47 PM 488 Views
Fuck you Tom Roland00 - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 793 Views
Oh come on... Belals Girl - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 693 Views
HAHAHA! This from the person who can't even write a coherent post *NM* Tom - 20/10/2017 07:10:45 PM 427 Views
Oh please damookster - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 771 Views
Re: Oh please Ghavrel - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 726 Views
What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 676 Views
Ha! Joke's on you! We don't do interrogatories in the criminal system. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:01:54 AM 708 Views
If you are not proposing altering any literature... Tom - 22/10/2017 04:28:53 PM 664 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 675 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 610 Views
An unnecessary tool.... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 619 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 630 Views
I would challenge that statment.... Jeordam - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 802 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* random thoughts - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 399 Views
Forget it, mook. He's just being a silly, stupid kid. He should know better. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2017 06:17:28 AM 507 Views
Agreed. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 782 Views
Interesting article. Legolas - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 704 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 650 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor Cannoli - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 724 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 658 Views
I apologize before hand Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 656 Views
Only made it through page 2. Were there separate graphs for just N. American/West European nations? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:04:05 PM 631 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up nossy - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 816 Views
Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 752 Views
I hate blaming things nossy - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 757 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase Tom - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 771 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. nossy - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 817 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 656 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 392 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 655 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 698 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 639 Views
So now we are at episode 6 The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 571 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 408 Views
Yes The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 659 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 599 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 369 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* LiterateDog - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 469 Views
*NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 398 Views
*NM* The Shrike - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
Snorts / Laughs so hard that I almost lost the drink I was enjoying. *NM* Roland00 - 19/10/2017 06:00:47 AM 426 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 713 Views
Agreed with all your points. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 696 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 683 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 683 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. Legolas - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 665 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* random thoughts - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* Legolas - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 434 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 721 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 463 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail Roland00 - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 724 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 758 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 676 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 598 Views
damn it *NM* damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 366 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 680 Views
Maybe, maybe not... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 581 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. The Shrike - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 656 Views
I see this as... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 639 Views
I kind of break them down into two types Vodalus - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 745 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 712 Views
Definitely more than a bit. The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 608 Views
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