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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM

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I don't agree with the basic premise that the driver is fear. In my experience the entitled children of helicopter parents are not timid and fearful. Quite the opposite. Being raised to believe that your wants and desires are equal to or more important than those of anyone else doesn't make you fearful when you get the rude awakening that the rest of the world isn't going to treat you like your parents. Rather, it makes them angry and frustrated.

Personally I don't see any chance of easily resolving this. Children are no longer raised to respect traditional authority figures. They are taught that their viewpoint is equally important and valid. A generational change is needed and I don't see it happening.


Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority...both end up in the idea of Anomie "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals". Anomie is the breakdown of social bonds between an individual and the community, e.g., under unruly scenarios resulting in fragmentation of social identity and rejection of self-regulatory values

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority, and I would argue both of them are happening now simultaneously. In little pockets of society we have such extreme versions of little groups where I want my culture the way X and we demonize and negative partisanship another little group who wants their culture Y and these groups are in their little "filter bubbles" where they are homogeneous and there is no allowing of multiple opinions, instead we are going for something that is orthodox instead of heterodox.

So what do these little groups of society with such extreme opinions have to do with parents and kids and authority? Well when you teach a type of society to your kids and then throw them into another society that is such a different reality then you are going to create a system where the kids fundamentally reject the parents view of how society should be, or they try to mix and some thrive and some fail, and the people who fail will then be attracted to viewpoints and systems where they are the winners and someone else is the enemy, the other, and should be made the loser.

What I am saying is society is changing in a way that people do not know how to keep up, and even if most of people are adapting and feeling their place in today's society some people are not adapting fast enough where they feel comfortable, and due to how humans are social creatures even the people who are "catching up and thriving in this rapidly changing world" will have their viewpoints shifted and influenced by people who are not staying up. You can call this the gift and also the curse of empathy but it is far more than empathy for it is also the same system and other systems related to our ability to create identity, imagine the past and future, create culture, and so on.

Right now society is not keeping up to the needs of the many, and even when the many are doing well we see enough of the few not keeping up we question the system.

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I know these images will mean nothing to you Mookie and other RAFO readers but they are very important in neuroscience even though they are new images and our current understanding is changing every single year.

The point of the pictures I am sharing Is not the brain stuff but the 3 boxes of interconnected systems and the words contained in the boxes.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~hannaje/Research_files/Andrews-Hanna_Neuroscientist_Figure7.jpg

http://dericbownds.net/uploaded_images/anrevdefault.png

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2618 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 1096 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 990 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 956 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 644 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 969 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 1006 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 620 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 601 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 966 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 959 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 1030 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 545 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 555 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 912 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 1024 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 1032 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 1088 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1255 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 972 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 1042 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 984 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 893 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 971 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 931 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 878 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 907 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1080 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 985 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 963 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1151 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 882 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 922 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 965 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 939 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 854 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 1055 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 967 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 1006 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 949 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 937 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 866 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 913 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 876 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1079 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 512 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 1032 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 936 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 920 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 984 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 929 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 926 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1138 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 1048 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1108 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 1049 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1140 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 921 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 499 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 898 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 962 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 985 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 834 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 523 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 888 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 853 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 475 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 583 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 515 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 506 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 956 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 974 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 927 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 965 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 937 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 547 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 545 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 979 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 578 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 991 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 986 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 932 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 838 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 475 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 940 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 867 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 909 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 886 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 1010 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 916 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 854 Views

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