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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM

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I don't agree with the basic premise that the driver is fear. In my experience the entitled children of helicopter parents are not timid and fearful. Quite the opposite. Being raised to believe that your wants and desires are equal to or more important than those of anyone else doesn't make you fearful when you get the rude awakening that the rest of the world isn't going to treat you like your parents. Rather, it makes them angry and frustrated.

Personally I don't see any chance of easily resolving this. Children are no longer raised to respect traditional authority figures. They are taught that their viewpoint is equally important and valid. A generational change is needed and I don't see it happening.


Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority...both end up in the idea of Anomie "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals". Anomie is the breakdown of social bonds between an individual and the community, e.g., under unruly scenarios resulting in fragmentation of social identity and rejection of self-regulatory values

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

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Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority, and I would argue both of them are happening now simultaneously. In little pockets of society we have such extreme versions of little groups where I want my culture the way X and we demonize and negative partisanship another little group who wants their culture Y and these groups are in their little "filter bubbles" where they are homogeneous and there is no allowing of multiple opinions, instead we are going for something that is orthodox instead of heterodox.

So what do these little groups of society with such extreme opinions have to do with parents and kids and authority? Well when you teach a type of society to your kids and then throw them into another society that is such a different reality then you are going to create a system where the kids fundamentally reject the parents view of how society should be, or they try to mix and some thrive and some fail, and the people who fail will then be attracted to viewpoints and systems where they are the winners and someone else is the enemy, the other, and should be made the loser.

What I am saying is society is changing in a way that people do not know how to keep up, and even if most of people are adapting and feeling their place in today's society some people are not adapting fast enough where they feel comfortable, and due to how humans are social creatures even the people who are "catching up and thriving in this rapidly changing world" will have their viewpoints shifted and influenced by people who are not staying up. You can call this the gift and also the curse of empathy but it is far more than empathy for it is also the same system and other systems related to our ability to create identity, imagine the past and future, create culture, and so on.

Right now society is not keeping up to the needs of the many, and even when the many are doing well we see enough of the few not keeping up we question the system.

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I know these images will mean nothing to you Mookie and other RAFO readers but they are very important in neuroscience even though they are new images and our current understanding is changing every single year.

The point of the pictures I am sharing Is not the brain stuff but the 3 boxes of interconnected systems and the words contained in the boxes.

http://psych.colorado.edu/~hannaje/Research_files/Andrews-Hanna_Neuroscientist_Figure7.jpg

http://dericbownds.net/uploaded_images/anrevdefault.png

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2268 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 825 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 745 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 677 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 519 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 681 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 471 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 450 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 737 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 690 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 766 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 433 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 445 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 654 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 755 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 720 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 791 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 977 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 692 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 711 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 711 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 642 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 704 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 676 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 628 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 651 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 827 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 704 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 695 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 854 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 636 Views
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You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 703 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 668 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 602 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 793 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 693 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 771 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 726 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 675 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 609 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 618 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 629 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 802 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 399 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 781 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 703 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 650 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 723 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 658 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 656 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 816 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 752 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 757 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 770 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 816 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 656 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 391 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 654 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 697 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 639 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 571 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 408 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 659 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 599 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 369 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 469 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 398 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 713 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 695 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 683 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 683 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 665 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 433 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 720 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 461 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 724 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 758 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 676 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 598 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 366 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 679 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 581 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 656 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 639 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 745 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 711 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 607 Views

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