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It would be ridiculous to expect the US and the west to self impose an energy tax that isn't shared random thoughts Send a noteboard - 08/06/2017 01:26:41 PM

The problem with this sort of feel good white guilt thinking is it is dumb. And dumb is the nice word for it. All imposing an energy tax on the west is going to do drive more industry to the parts of the world that are all heavy polluters and have little regard for the environment. It takes special kind of naïve to handicap the west as some of amends for being dominate in the belief that it will be a better world is China and India become dominate.

Worse yet it does nothing to actually reduce the carbon in the atmosphere since you didn't actually reduce only shifted it.

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You know, The Shrike - 02/06/2017 07:20:31 PM 467 Views
I do read the Economist random thoughts - 03/06/2017 04:24:52 PM 501 Views
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Most Europeans have a positive image of the US. Back up your statements with facts please. The Shrike - 02/06/2017 07:15:23 PM 601 Views
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non binding agreements that hurt our economy was not going to strengthen our posistion random thoughts - 02/06/2017 06:46:10 PM 461 Views
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I provided evidence. You didn't. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in your answer. *NM* Tom - 08/06/2017 05:28:37 AM 288 Views
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It would be ridiculous to expect the US and the west to self impose an energy tax that isn't shared random thoughts - 08/06/2017 01:26:41 PM 418 Views
You read my previous post, right? If not, please do. Legolas - 08/06/2017 07:32:37 PM 516 Views
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Sigh Roland00 - 03/06/2017 12:18:29 AM 452 Views
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Because it is not the integral, the derivative, or the acceleration that kills you, it is the jerk Roland00 - 03/06/2017 04:29:11 AM 471 Views
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So to answer your question simply, yeah I do have an idea of how they measure acidity Roland00 - 08/06/2017 09:26:48 PM 456 Views
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