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Not sure I agree there Isaac Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM
I do not think the particular motivation for a crime should be too big a factor in anything besides sentencing. Because looking at your Murder hate crime example, let me fill in a blank.

Murder Hate-Crime: "I was then pre-disposed (given why) to then gradually plan (filling in when, where, and how) to then gradually plan (filling in who) to now kill X."

"I was then pre-disposed by the murder of my daughter to then gradually plan to kill any child molestor-killers to the plot specifically to murder Mr. X when he moved in to my neighborhood and I found out what he'd done"

This example was clearly a hate-crime, the murderer hates a particular group of people, criminals, yes, but I can not see a difference there. Many murders have been done to drug dealers by people who were outraged at the loss of someone close through drug-trafficking, they despise that group. But the fact that it happens to be a specific type of criminal as opposed to black, jew, gay seems not to apply on contemplation because it could also include "I hate pot smokers" or "People who sell pirated movies".

That actually sums up in many ways why we got hate crime legislation to begin with. The locals often viewed 'group X' with contempt, some applauded the action. Now, with that in mind, how would most people typically react to hearing that a drug-dealer got snuffed by an angry parent? Or the child molestor? They'd mostly applaud, or maybe say "Well, it might have been wrong but..." I have difficulty seeing a tangible difference in there, the hate-crime murders we think of view themselves as vigilantes in the same way the guy who shoots a child molestor does.
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Federal punishment is usually harsher then state law - 23/10/2009 09:27:49 PM 356 Views
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68-29, eh? Party line division? *NM* - 23/10/2009 08:25:07 PM 137 Views
More or less - 23/10/2009 08:35:10 PM 355 Views
All hate crime legislation is stupid..... - 23/10/2009 10:15:02 PM 372 Views
I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities. - 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM 381 Views
Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell? - 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM 358 Views
Not sure I agree there - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM 329 Views
So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy? - 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM 314 Views
Doesn't there have to be an indication ... - 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM 336 Views
Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 324 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 390 Views
One factor in this I don't like though - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 326 Views
Correct - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 332 Views
All orientations are protected. - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 333 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 331 Views
As per my reply to you above: - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 348 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 338 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 307 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 469 Views
I don't support that anymore then I support hate crime laws. - 25/10/2009 02:33:27 PM 347 Views
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Minor point. - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 355 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 353 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 340 Views
That's my main objection, yes. - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 339 Views

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