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I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike Send a noteboard - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM

I was under the assumption there would be a vote in the EU parliament.


No, I was right. What's more, not only will there not be an election (or, well, there will be an election among the members of the European Council, i.e. the heads of government of the member states), but the European Parliament won't even have the authority to confirm or reject the result, as they do have for the President of the Commission (although until the recent debate about whether to accept Barroso for a second term, that confirmation has mostly been a formality).


elect the leader at least. And even then I would not be happy with that. This is one of the reasons the Australians rejected the referendum to become a Republic. The President would have been elected by the Senate not by the public. People want to elect leaders directly.
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United States of Europe! Here we come. Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM 665 Views
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So I've just found out on Wikipedia. Craziness. *NM* Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:31:04 PM 356 Views
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She never said that Floffe - 03/10/2009 11:22:43 PM 667 Views
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Hehe Rebekah - 04/10/2009 10:06:40 AM 563 Views
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Sort of. Inigo Montoya - 04/10/2009 02:19:56 AM 650 Views
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Thanks! *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:42:04 PM 273 Views
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There are a few others. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:03:40 PM 563 Views
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hallelujah! Stephen - 04/10/2009 09:49:39 PM 643 Views
Indeed. Elaine - 05/10/2009 02:00:29 PM 619 Views
I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM 587 Views
Yeah, that's true... Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM 569 Views
So the European parliament will not elect the leader? The Shrike - 05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM 590 Views
Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up. Legolas - 05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM 544 Views
I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM 583 Views
Honestly, that would never be on the table. Legolas - 05/10/2009 06:37:25 PM 557 Views
So would most of europe. Wibble - 05/10/2009 07:22:41 PM 563 Views
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