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Re Scotland: Rebekah Send a noteboard - 10/05/2015 09:41:43 PM

View original postThe SNP and Conservatives both seem to have reaped the benefits of demonizing the other - making Scots feel that only a SNP vote could keep the Conservatives out of power, and making the English feel that only a Conservative vote would keep the SNP from dominating the whole UK by holding the swing votes needed to give Labour a majority.

And there are LOADS of Scots who voted for the SNP to stick it to Labour for various reasons, one of which was working with the Conservatives in the Better Together campaign for a No vote in the Referendum.

Can you imagine how hard it would have been to sell two separate No campaigns? "Oh yes, we want the UK to stay together but we couldn't possibly work with someone else to achieve that."

People are stupid and they make me irate.

View original postAs for independence - the Scots rejected independence less than a year ago in the referendum. There won't be a second one immediately, and there won't be independence without a referendum. But there's almost certainly going to be a UK-wide referendum in 2017 on leaving the EU, and if the "yes" camp should win that, it's very likely that Scotland would promptly vote to secede and stay in the EU. There may be other excuses the SNP could use for a second referendum - and after yesterday's election, I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-independence camp gains enough votes to win.

The SNP won't use this general election as a mandate to push for another referendum, but there's a Scottish parliament election next year and the likelihood is that the SNP will get a vast majority since there's not a hope in hell of Labour appealing to the people who have just voted against them. So they'll use that to ask Westminster for another referendum. And then Westminster will be between a rock and a hard place since they can't say no as the SNP will use that against them, and they can't say yes because then the UK will split. They could say yes on the proviso there's a certain percentage of votes before any change but they didn't ask for that last time so I don't know if they would again.

I really, really hate the idea of another referendum. The last one was awful, really divisive, made me angry with a few of my friends (and question their intellect, which is unfair) and was a horribly stressful time. I actually cried when the first results came in for No.

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David Cameron whoops ass..... Anonymous2000 - 08/05/2015 01:33:15 PM 2206 Views

This time you're not talking nonsense.

Legolas - 08/05/2015 05:36:35 PM 718 Views

The UK election system is as much a mystery as is cricket..... Anonymous2000 - 08/05/2015 05:44:31 PM 716 Views

It's basically the same system as yours, you do realize?

For Congress, anyway. Legolas - 08/05/2015 06:32:54 PM 668 Views

The Scots seem quite suicidal Tom - 09/05/2015 04:29:31 AM 641 Views

Yes - but so do the Eurosceptic English. Legolas - 09/05/2015 09:27:39 AM 674 Views

The euro can only survive in one form Tom - 09/05/2015 05:39:34 PM 734 Views

Devaluation isn't exactly what you'd call a long-term solution. Legolas - 09/05/2015 08:38:54 PM 644 Views

Oh, I certainly don't support the populist parties Tom - 11/05/2015 01:43:23 AM 537 Views

I agree, "far right" is a misleading label in some ways. Legolas - 11/05/2015 09:29:56 PM 702 Views

What fool or fools started the EU? Anonymous2000 - 09/05/2015 01:37:27 PM 560 Views

Because Europe was doing so well before then, right?

Legolas - 09/05/2015 07:51:30 PM 675 Views

The Euro would have worked better if there had been fiscal integration. Rebekah - 10/05/2015 09:43:43 PM 761 Views

Re Scotland: Rebekah - 10/05/2015 09:41:43 PM 672 Views

Yeah, it was tense enough from the outside... Legolas - 10/05/2015 10:42:53 PM 692 Views

So what is the SNP going to do if Cameron tells them (rightly) to sod off about another referendum? Tom - 11/05/2015 01:45:16 AM 631 Views

Not the SNP so much as the people. Rebekah - 11/05/2015 02:00:32 PM 747 Views

So the mob rules now, does it? Tom - 11/05/2015 06:04:04 PM 670 Views

Significant devolution will happen, that's for sure. Legolas - 11/05/2015 09:07:00 PM 625 Views

Why? Tom - 12/05/2015 07:10:31 AM 687 Views

I think that's enough Putin speeches for you for today.

*NM* Legolas - 12/05/2015 06:37:23 PM 426 Views

Ha! It helps to not be 10 martinis in when you post, too.

*NM* Tom - 12/05/2015 11:41:48 PM 396 Views

I guess you haven't watched braveheart? random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:49:30 PM 653 Views

You are a sad sorry little man, and I pity you. *NM* Wibble - 15/05/2015 12:03:37 AM 466 Views

Re: It's basically the same system as yours, you do realize?

For Congress, anyway. Duke - 11/05/2015 05:32:55 AM 730 Views

The US is made up of 50 nations random thoughts - 12/05/2015 03:19:25 PM 578 Views

Indeed, but with the same two parties everywhere. Legolas - 12/05/2015 06:35:27 PM 635 Views

Wisconsin's drinking age The Shrike - 13/05/2015 01:09:53 PM 709 Views

Texas has similar laws random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:44:29 PM 556 Views

I know. It's really sad that that's the most reasonable law anywhere in the US... Legolas - 13/05/2015 06:26:09 PM 689 Views

It's the same in Louisiana. Ghavrel - 14/05/2015 08:23:20 AM 630 Views

The states still can set the drinking age, incidentally. The feds can just withhold some funds. Ghavrel - 13/05/2015 02:55:51 AM 600 Views

They have still gutted the 10th amendment random thoughts - 13/05/2015 01:47:53 PM 588 Views

I agree they've gutted it. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Ghavrel - 14/05/2015 07:37:22 AM 595 Views

Well your elected senators are not that stellar

random thoughts - 14/05/2015 01:38:37 PM 596 Views

What about open primaries like in California? *NM* Legolas - 15/05/2015 07:22:08 PM 322 Views

Texas kind of has open primaries random thoughts - 18/05/2015 08:34:43 PM 715 Views

They're all right. They're a hell of a lot better than our elected state legislature.

Ghavrel - 17/05/2015 05:37:35 AM 609 Views

Three cheers for foodbanks! *NM* Dion - 12/05/2015 02:51:06 AM 373 Views

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<quote id="287453">The SNP and Conservatives both seem to have reaped the benefits of demonizing the other - making Scots feel that only a SNP vote could keep the Conservatives out of power, and making the English feel that only a Conservative vote would keep the SNP from dominating the whole UK by holding the swing votes needed to give Labour a majority. </quote>
And there are LOADS of Scots who voted for the SNP to stick it to Labour for various reasons, one of which was working with the Conservatives in the Better Together campaign for a No vote in the Referendum.

Can you imagine how hard it would have been to sell two separate No campaigns? "Oh yes, we want the UK to stay together but we couldn't possibly work with someone else to achieve that."

People are stupid and they make me irate.

<quote id="287453">As for independence - the Scots rejected independence less than a year ago in the referendum. There won't be a second one immediately, and there won't be independence without a referendum. But there's almost certainly going to be a UK-wide referendum in 2017 on leaving the EU, and if the "yes" camp should win that, it's very likely that Scotland would promptly vote to secede and stay in the EU. There may be other excuses the SNP could use for a second referendum - and after yesterday's election, I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-independence camp gains enough votes to win. </quote>
The SNP won't use this general election as a mandate to push for another referendum, but there's a Scottish parliament election next year and the likelihood is that the SNP will get a vast majority since there's not a hope in hell of Labour appealing to the people who have just voted against them. So they'll use that to ask Westminster for another referendum. And then Westminster will be between a rock and a hard place since they can't say no as the SNP will use that against them, and they can't say yes because then the UK will split. They could say yes on the proviso there's a certain percentage of votes before any change but they didn't ask for that last time so I don't know if they would again.

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