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it's empty because the shutdown persists. end the shutdown and they won't need back pay moondog Send a noteboard - 11/10/2013 11:02:20 PM

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View original postas a matter of fact, if i were still living in wisconsin i would have been marching on Madison with my teacher friends and probably still participating in the capitol sing alongs they've had every day since that law was put into play. as you recall the republicans claimed the anti-union provision was a matter of state budgets. when they passed it outside the budget bill they proved themselves liars every single one of them. when my company is cutting back because of lack of income, and my friends and family who work for the federal government aren't allowed to earn their living you can bet i am going to blame the ones who created the problem. once again, all boehner has to do is put the clean CR on the floor for a vote. he has all 200 Dems and at least enough Rs to pass it. the fact that he won't put it to the vote says that the republicans who control him don't give a shit that people are struggling to get by, they just care about their image.

Yes I'm aware of your attitude about Wisconsin, it comes so vividly to mind because it was the last time I watched you fly so off the handle on the board. You're passionate about it, which is find, but also terribly blind. You sound like a man screaming about how the enemy bombed a city and that that by itself justifies the war and every time its pointed that his side has done it before too finds some excuse, "It was different", "It was long ago", "That isn't the same". What's horrible is that you regularly drop huge openings for me with your cherry-picking. "They didn't pass it as a budget bill"? Not passing budget items as budget and vice-versa. Might I remind you that it was via Reconciliation (that process for budget items) that Obamacare was finally passed.

Reid has regularly been asked to put funding Obamacare or repealing Obamacare up to a straight vote, he's declined, but you expect Boehner to do something similar?

All of your arguments keep getting reduced to cherry-picking, double standards, and ad hominem. Obamacare got passed under shady procedural methods and could not be passed again today, I doubt it could even get a majority in the senate. I don't know why you and some others think that once something is passed it is forever but that's your whole basis. The GOP has been demanding another vote on this for 3 years, I can think of no other law where it supporters would be afraid to let it be voted on again. And that's the Left's whole argument, that the rights demands that this be voted on again when last time it couldn't even be passed without resulting to reconciliation is somehow immoral.


i never said once something is passed it's forever. i have argued here and on the other thread that your side has had three years to pass something that does not require completely undoing Obamacare. instead they've taken 42 votes and counting which are doomed to fail on defunding and repeal, and offered nothing of substance to replace it. you should know how law making works since you've claimed to have written several bills over your lifetime. the House has to put something up that the Senate can agree to if they want it to be made into law. when the Senate says from the beginning that the House's bill is DOA, and gets a veto threat before they've even submitted the bill for consideration, it should be an indication that they should try harder to put something out there which has a chance of actually getting discussed.

darrell issa himself said his dream plan to replace Obamacare would be to have a federal exchange for people to buy insurance to try to lower rates, discontinue pre-existing condition denials for new coverage, and prevent insurance companies from dropping patients. pretty much the three biggest things Obamacare was designed to do, he says would be in his dream legislation. so i ask yet again: what is so terrible about Obamacare that it requires punishing the entire country and threatening world economic instability? if i am cherry picking, then you are wearing rose colored glasses for not seeing how destructive your party is being with their quixotic attempt to make the actual majority of americans bend to their collective will.

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Government "shutdown" my ass..... Anonymous2000 - 06/10/2013 06:48:02 PM 1552 Views
Why would your government shut down your ass? Yunalesca - 06/10/2013 08:03:57 PM 1029 Views
Actually, it is... Dannymac - 07/10/2013 04:12:30 AM 982 Views
Must we do this again? Isaac - 07/10/2013 05:45:00 AM 965 Views
A whole generation has voted DNC twice. Dannymac - 07/10/2013 04:18:25 PM 800 Views
It voted RNC twice right before that, then DNC twice before that, then RNC thrice before that Isaac - 07/10/2013 05:18:31 PM 817 Views
elections are a cyclical affair by nature. the gop won't always be the party of stupid.... *NM* moondog - 07/10/2013 08:02:44 PM 464 Views
Not to mention they've gerrymandered like there's no tomorrow. Legolas - 07/10/2013 05:49:23 PM 867 Views
I hope we do default. ranagrande - 07/10/2013 07:04:24 PM 864 Views
Uhm. Legolas - 07/10/2013 09:09:45 PM 758 Views
Well it has been 70 years since we had a World War Isaac - 07/10/2013 09:37:14 PM 940 Views
You see in America we don't shoot stupid Roland00 - 08/10/2013 06:59:53 AM 770 Views
never going to happen Praziquantel - 08/10/2013 01:13:10 PM 964 Views
When gerrymandering there is no tomorrow, just the current decade Isaac - 07/10/2013 07:29:39 PM 855 Views
I'm curious as to why you say "unpopular bill" here Larry - 08/10/2013 09:02:49 AM 877 Views
Force of habit or slip of tongue, "Unpopular set of laws" Isaac - 08/10/2013 03:05:18 PM 884 Views
Ha! Larry - 09/10/2013 08:37:25 AM 886 Views
Bad enough, no? Legolas - 08/10/2013 06:32:06 PM 719 Views
Certainly Isaac - 08/10/2013 08:23:34 PM 964 Views
give a coherent reason for the shutdown and the label of economic terrorist will go away moondog - 07/10/2013 08:11:27 PM 974 Views
Why should I try to discourage you from using a label that makes you look like a fanatic? Isaac - 07/10/2013 09:23:40 PM 859 Views
i guess i should have put the disclaimer you asked for so you would know to be offended, is that it? moondog - 07/10/2013 10:49:43 PM 842 Views
It's pretty fucking sad any of us think we need a reason to act civilly, courtesy is its own reward *NM* Isaac - 08/10/2013 07:50:00 AM 497 Views
So you mean I shouldn't call you "an uncle fucking horsefucker" then? Larry - 08/10/2013 09:04:06 AM 793 Views
That's correct Larry, that would be unproductive Isaac - 08/10/2013 04:04:39 PM 881 Views
Of course it would; I rarely use such words toward people who might be still involved in a convo Larry - 09/10/2013 08:39:22 AM 789 Views
Re: Of course it would; [...] Isaac - 09/10/2013 05:25:28 PM 830 Views
hey, i've given plenty of reasonable alternatives, i don't see why you can't compromise with me *NM* moondog - 08/10/2013 10:09:44 PM 428 Views
Compromises? You've called my party terrorists and made it clear it wasn't hyperbole in your eyes Isaac - 08/10/2013 10:23:05 PM 868 Views
read what you wrote, direct it at your party, and look up "satire" if you still don't get it..... *NM* moondog - 08/10/2013 10:43:31 PM 526 Views
It's always painful when people think they're being funny or clever rather than sullen Isaac - 08/10/2013 11:33:36 PM 811 Views
remember that time when the Dems shut down the government to stop the iraq war? oh wait.... moondog - 09/10/2013 12:42:53 AM 860 Views
Probably a bad analogy pick, many of the Dem-initiated shutdowns were over defense spending Isaac - 09/10/2013 01:11:38 AM 774 Views
ok, henceforth instead of terrorists i will use "tea-hadists". is that more to your liking? moondog - 09/10/2013 10:26:36 PM 979 Views
No. Overdue, insincere, and half-assed attempts at marginal courtesy is not 'to my liking' Isaac - 09/10/2013 10:40:57 PM 832 Views
and here is the big picture, in a nutshell moondog - 10/10/2013 12:26:18 AM 910 Views
"Here's the big picture" remarks shouldn't start by complaining about your personal paycheck Isaac - 10/10/2013 12:37:34 AM 821 Views
i think 800,000 federal workers would disagree but YMMV moondog - 10/10/2013 12:44:29 AM 1085 Views
The GOP House already voted to give them back pay Isaac - 10/10/2013 01:21:27 AM 838 Views
the House is good at making empty gestures without actually addressing the causes moondog - 11/10/2013 05:17:34 PM 885 Views
How is agreeing to backpay an empty gesture? Isaac - 11/10/2013 05:37:58 PM 1203 Views
it's empty because the shutdown persists. end the shutdown and they won't need back pay moondog - 11/10/2013 11:02:20 PM 910 Views
Make up your mind, you complained early that you weren't getting paid Isaac - 11/10/2013 11:21:57 PM 800 Views
Clever. Did you make that one up yourself? I like it, will have to remember that one... *NM* Legolas - 09/10/2013 11:31:22 PM 446 Views
i can't claim to have invented it, but use it as you wish *NM* moondog - 09/10/2013 11:34:39 PM 473 Views
I do remember the time when some Democrats were tarnished with that pejorative brush... Larry - 09/10/2013 08:48:50 AM 884 Views
Re: I do remember the time when some Democrats were tarnished with that pejorative brush... moondog - 09/10/2013 09:51:22 PM 885 Views
That schtick got old a long time ago. You need newer, better material. Larry - 10/10/2013 03:43:31 AM 817 Views
you'll be rid of me for good soon enough, don't worry about it moondog - 11/10/2013 05:10:00 PM 1009 Views
I couldn't care less either way. Just make stronger arguments. *NM* Larry - 11/10/2013 05:55:05 PM 463 Views
you do realize you would come out a loser in said anarchy don't you? random thoughts - 11/10/2013 03:56:24 AM 857 Views
You do realize that when I say "there are moments when I..." that it implies something else? Larry - 11/10/2013 08:22:26 AM 917 Views
the republicans won more elections now the democrats have shutdown the government random thoughts - 09/10/2013 06:37:31 PM 869 Views
to quote Jon Stewart: "if you're gonna shut it down, OWN IT! Don't fart and then point at the dog" *NM* moondog - 09/10/2013 09:37:28 PM 485 Views
I agree. So now Obama and the senate need to step up and own it. *NM* random thoughts - 10/10/2013 06:02:56 PM 382 Views
That's about it. MonCul - 09/10/2013 12:36:30 AM 696 Views
Also, I wish you wouldn't egg them on Isaac - 07/10/2013 05:46:20 AM 836 Views
While I agree with your sentiment, "Big Government" is not a cause. Palatine - 07/10/2013 03:34:40 PM 1032 Views
Wow. Been a long time since we had a thread like this. I like it! :-) *NM* everynametaken - 10/10/2013 03:55:50 AM 452 Views
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