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? Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2013 09:56:59 PM

Maybe I should have responded sooner, but I see no logical connection between your posts subject line and body.

View original postRick Didn’t call end SS but to reform besides claiming he speaks for “many” republicans may be technically true so would the claim that many democrats are racist.

Calling it a Ponzi scheme is calling it both criminal fraud and a mathematical impossibility; that is a call for abolition, not reform. The Tea Partiers lapping that up like their mothers milk sure heard "end" rather than "reform," as Perry intended. You know I hate when you are obtuse, but more importantly, you also know it is counterproductive, a diversionary rather than constructive tactic.

Much like saying, "So what if some of the GOP wants to end SS; some of the other one is racist!" So any unconscionable act is suddenly excusable after all if opponents do something WORSE? :confused: Did Stalins numerically greater butchery of his nations own civilians excuse Hitlers? I did not ask the Dems flaws; trust me, I already have a pretty extensive list of my own. The issue is whether axing SS is wise, much less needed, and dodging that question while trying to implement ones personal answer at the expense of tens of millions of Americans is shameful. I have more respect for Republicans who openly and proudly admit the desire to end SS than for those insisting they just want to "reform" it by ENDING it in favor of "letting" everyone who can afford to play the stock market do so (which they already can.)

Getting rid of witholding tax and guaranteed benefits to "let" people invest their own money (if they can) is functionally the same as ending SS. That is how it worked (or rather, did not) before and would be after SS. We both know that because neither of us is stupid; let us be honest enough to admit it. If telling the truth about a policy alienates public support, maybe there is a good reason why. ;)


View original postOf course none of that really matters since the basis for your argument is flat out silly. SS doesn’t make money it is a tax, by that argument the DOD pays for itself as well.

Except the DoD does not tax separately and pay all its expensese from that budget; if it did, we would not be >$16 trillion in debt.
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Can You Name the Largest US Program to ANNUALLY Collect More Than It Spent for 75 Straight Years? - 28/02/2013 11:03:18 PM 1381 Views
It's the world's greatest Ponzi scheme, since the government forces us to give money to it. - 01/03/2013 01:05:05 PM 817 Views
Yes, "government forcing people to give money" defines a Ponzi; speeding tickets are Ponzis. - 01/03/2013 03:53:02 PM 907 Views
Good lord my friend..... - 02/03/2013 04:19:35 AM 851 Views
I will just link what Isaac said; maybe then you will pay attention to it. - 02/03/2013 04:56:34 AM 898 Views
I really think you terribly misread what I said *NM* - 02/03/2013 06:59:56 AM 465 Views
Yes he did. He has very poor reading comprehension skills. *NM* - 03/03/2013 01:07:59 AM 486 Views
I really do not think I did. - 04/03/2013 01:43:02 AM 930 Views
I'm pretty confident you have - 04/03/2013 11:49:19 AM 914 Views
We evidently disagree on what constitutes a Ponzi scheme. - 11/03/2013 09:56:27 PM 843 Views
No, I agree with a clear definiton, you seem not to want to absorb that - 11/03/2013 10:24:47 PM 1003 Views
It is neither an investment nor fraudulent. - 12/03/2013 02:34:09 AM 1063 Views
Okay, that's a really weird or naive standard to judge SS by - 01/03/2013 05:25:11 PM 871 Views
Great; will you put that on a postcard to Cannoli, A2K, Rick Perry and the rest of your party? - 01/03/2013 07:39:44 PM 887 Views
Your attacks on republican ideals would have more credit if you understood them - 02/03/2013 04:27:34 AM 874 Views
aH yes the great liberal investmetn/retirement plan that offers me a NEGATIGVE rate of return... - 02/03/2013 11:51:50 AM 788 Views
Do you sincerely believe people earning $14,560/year can afford investing 4% of it? - 04/03/2013 12:53:30 AM 950 Views
*sigh* - 04/03/2013 03:43:08 AM 787 Views
I tried it with compound interest; $44.80/month at 4% for 50 years still does not get to $1.25 mill. - 04/03/2013 04:24:51 AM 858 Views
Here are some clues. - 04/03/2013 04:37:39 AM 735 Views
It is math, not the Riddle of the Sphinx: EIther it adds up or does not. - 04/03/2013 05:02:39 AM 874 Views
Math is simple - Either you know how to calculate it or you don't - 04/03/2013 11:55:24 AM 960 Views
Indeed. - 11/03/2013 09:53:59 PM 876 Views
Re: Indeed. - 13/03/2013 05:00:10 PM 1020 Views
SS is supposed to supplement a proper pension, not provide your sole income after retirement - 05/03/2013 03:53:03 AM 747 Views
Did you bother to actually read anything? - 05/03/2013 02:32:16 PM 811 Views
do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? - 05/03/2013 05:49:14 PM 875 Views
Re: do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? --- yeah, I've BEEN there. - 05/03/2013 08:01:33 PM 844 Views
how about respond to a post with logic and civility instead of being a troll for once? - 05/03/2013 11:03:00 PM 955 Views
All I have used is civility and logic, or least as much civility as was warrented. - 06/03/2013 04:28:04 AM 889 Views
yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 08/03/2013 07:22:24 PM 928 Views
Re: yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 10/03/2013 01:42:26 PM 807 Views
i'm not going to keep going in circles so i will finish with this.... - 11/03/2013 10:08:53 PM 1112 Views
No loss. - 13/03/2013 04:37:41 PM 744 Views
"Rah! Rah! Rah!" Can we please cut out all this blather and bile? - 05/03/2013 11:53:41 PM 817 Views
spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 06/03/2013 12:54:38 AM 786 Views
Re: spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 08/03/2013 03:04:37 PM 835 Views
I was not trolling, but clarifying. - 11/03/2013 09:53:48 PM 874 Views

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