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? Joel Send a noteboard - 11/03/2013 09:56:59 PM

Maybe I should have responded sooner, but I see no logical connection between your posts subject line and body.

View original postRick Didn’t call end SS but to reform besides claiming he speaks for “many” republicans may be technically true so would the claim that many democrats are racist.

Calling it a Ponzi scheme is calling it both criminal fraud and a mathematical impossibility; that is a call for abolition, not reform. The Tea Partiers lapping that up like their mothers milk sure heard "end" rather than "reform," as Perry intended. You know I hate when you are obtuse, but more importantly, you also know it is counterproductive, a diversionary rather than constructive tactic.

Much like saying, "So what if some of the GOP wants to end SS; some of the other one is racist!" So any unconscionable act is suddenly excusable after all if opponents do something WORSE? :confused: Did Stalins numerically greater butchery of his nations own civilians excuse Hitlers? I did not ask the Dems flaws; trust me, I already have a pretty extensive list of my own. The issue is whether axing SS is wise, much less needed, and dodging that question while trying to implement ones personal answer at the expense of tens of millions of Americans is shameful. I have more respect for Republicans who openly and proudly admit the desire to end SS than for those insisting they just want to "reform" it by ENDING it in favor of "letting" everyone who can afford to play the stock market do so (which they already can.)

Getting rid of witholding tax and guaranteed benefits to "let" people invest their own money (if they can) is functionally the same as ending SS. That is how it worked (or rather, did not) before and would be after SS. We both know that because neither of us is stupid; let us be honest enough to admit it. If telling the truth about a policy alienates public support, maybe there is a good reason why. ;)


View original postOf course none of that really matters since the basis for your argument is flat out silly. SS doesn’t make money it is a tax, by that argument the DOD pays for itself as well.

Except the DoD does not tax separately and pay all its expensese from that budget; if it did, we would not be >$16 trillion in debt.
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Can You Name the Largest US Program to ANNUALLY Collect More Than It Spent for 75 Straight Years? - 28/02/2013 11:03:18 PM 1303 Views
It's the world's greatest Ponzi scheme, since the government forces us to give money to it. - 01/03/2013 01:05:05 PM 741 Views
Yes, "government forcing people to give money" defines a Ponzi; speeding tickets are Ponzis. - 01/03/2013 03:53:02 PM 867 Views
Good lord my friend..... - 02/03/2013 04:19:35 AM 782 Views
I will just link what Isaac said; maybe then you will pay attention to it. - 02/03/2013 04:56:34 AM 824 Views
I really think you terribly misread what I said *NM* - 02/03/2013 06:59:56 AM 430 Views
Yes he did. He has very poor reading comprehension skills. *NM* - 03/03/2013 01:07:59 AM 457 Views
I really do not think I did. - 04/03/2013 01:43:02 AM 861 Views
I'm pretty confident you have - 04/03/2013 11:49:19 AM 846 Views
We evidently disagree on what constitutes a Ponzi scheme. - 11/03/2013 09:56:27 PM 767 Views
No, I agree with a clear definiton, you seem not to want to absorb that - 11/03/2013 10:24:47 PM 911 Views
It is neither an investment nor fraudulent. - 12/03/2013 02:34:09 AM 982 Views
Okay, that's a really weird or naive standard to judge SS by - 01/03/2013 05:25:11 PM 789 Views
Great; will you put that on a postcard to Cannoli, A2K, Rick Perry and the rest of your party? - 01/03/2013 07:39:44 PM 815 Views
Your attacks on republican ideals would have more credit if you understood them - 02/03/2013 04:27:34 AM 798 Views
aH yes the great liberal investmetn/retirement plan that offers me a NEGATIGVE rate of return... - 02/03/2013 11:51:50 AM 712 Views
Do you sincerely believe people earning $14,560/year can afford investing 4% of it? - 04/03/2013 12:53:30 AM 876 Views
*sigh* - 04/03/2013 03:43:08 AM 706 Views
I tried it with compound interest; $44.80/month at 4% for 50 years still does not get to $1.25 mill. - 04/03/2013 04:24:51 AM 789 Views
Here are some clues. - 04/03/2013 04:37:39 AM 651 Views
It is math, not the Riddle of the Sphinx: EIther it adds up or does not. - 04/03/2013 05:02:39 AM 804 Views
Math is simple - Either you know how to calculate it or you don't - 04/03/2013 11:55:24 AM 880 Views
Indeed. - 11/03/2013 09:53:59 PM 789 Views
Re: Indeed. - 13/03/2013 05:00:10 PM 974 Views
SS is supposed to supplement a proper pension, not provide your sole income after retirement - 05/03/2013 03:53:03 AM 670 Views
Did you bother to actually read anything? - 05/03/2013 02:32:16 PM 737 Views
do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? - 05/03/2013 05:49:14 PM 804 Views
Re: do *YOU* know what "living in poverty" means? --- yeah, I've BEEN there. - 05/03/2013 08:01:33 PM 777 Views
how about respond to a post with logic and civility instead of being a troll for once? - 05/03/2013 11:03:00 PM 861 Views
All I have used is civility and logic, or least as much civility as was warrented. - 06/03/2013 04:28:04 AM 811 Views
yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 08/03/2013 07:22:24 PM 853 Views
Re: yeah, it's my fault for stooping to your level.... - 10/03/2013 01:42:26 PM 723 Views
i'm not going to keep going in circles so i will finish with this.... - 11/03/2013 10:08:53 PM 1069 Views
No loss. - 13/03/2013 04:37:41 PM 663 Views
"Rah! Rah! Rah!" Can we please cut out all this blather and bile? - 05/03/2013 11:53:41 PM 738 Views
spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 06/03/2013 12:54:38 AM 711 Views
Re: spoken like a true enemy of the state! - 08/03/2013 03:04:37 PM 766 Views
I was not trolling, but clarifying. - 11/03/2013 09:53:48 PM 787 Views

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