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Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization." Joel Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM
God is on record against murder, but the issue is when there is a person to murder. According to the bill GOP Congressman Todd Akin wrote, co-sponsored by GOP VP nominee Ryan and GOP Congressman Paul Ryan, it is 9 weeks after fertilization, when embyros become fetuses. I actually tend to agree, but there is no proof (and precious little evidence.) The US government should not condemn pregnant women to die because of what I strongly suspect but cannot prove.
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God Distances Self From Christian Right Joel - 26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM 1219 Views
Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM 356 Views
Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization." Joel - 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM 550 Views
Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM 723 Views
Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin? Joel - 26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM 585 Views
You're technically right, Joel, but... Tom - 26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM 593 Views
Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM 632 Views
Your lack of scientific understanding is everything in this instance. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 10:44:05 PM 585 Views
Because whether God intends rape is aaaall about science, right? Joel - 26/10/2012 11:08:16 PM 514 Views
You're getting rather emphatic. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:27:07 PM 582 Views
Broad fundamental change to US law by controlling all three branches of government provokes that. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:44:59 AM 567 Views
That's a dangerous stance to take as a Christian Tom - 27/10/2012 01:11:14 AM 568 Views
I agree it is good reading; that does not make it binding. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:37:20 AM 583 Views
Jesus that Greek sounds weird to my ears. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:43:40 AM 680 Views
It's really just simplified Attic. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:11:48 AM 564 Views
Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. Narg - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM 637 Views
women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect moondog - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 642 Views
So we legalize an illegal act because some are willing to harm themselves to do it? *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 10:02:37 PM 317 Views
no, we legalize the act so that it can be performed safely without killing both mother *and* child *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 11:08:52 PM 331 Views
At least you acknowledge it as a child. *NM* Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:28:30 PM 334 Views
Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no. Joel - 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM 562 Views
If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals Narg - 26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM 586 Views
If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM 610 Views
That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all... Narg - 27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM 625 Views
you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal moondog - 27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM 527 Views
I'm not missing the point, you are. Narg - 27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM 685 Views
This isn't necessarily true, though it is often due to other factors. nossy - 27/10/2012 02:48:00 PM 619 Views
People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient." Joel - 27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM 528 Views
You're stuck. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:07:36 AM 649 Views
not entirely nossy - 27/10/2012 03:23:07 PM 651 Views
Give me facts, not supposition. Joel - 27/10/2012 04:10:57 PM 596 Views
Telling a woman whose life was in danger not to save it with abortion condemned her to die Joel - 26/10/2012 10:48:53 PM 535 Views
There is no proof that you would accept that a fetus is a child. Narg - 26/10/2012 11:31:50 PM 528 Views
Fantastic question. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:43:51 PM 564 Views
No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM 549 Views
Sure there is; show me a fetus acting indepedently and consciously. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:15:00 AM 552 Views
Perfect example of media sensationalism Palatine - 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM 629 Views
I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative Sareitha Sedai - 26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM 604 Views
yeah, but what do women know about women's issues? this is man talk time! moondog - 26/10/2012 05:01:58 PM 570 Views
THAT is the whole problem with his comment. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM 528 Views
Or it could mean.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM 584 Views
Re: Or it could mean.... moondog - 27/10/2012 12:14:31 AM 564 Views
Having addressed this in response to Legolas in moondogs thread on Mourdock, I will just link that. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:43:48 AM 592 Views
I agree nossy - 26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM 619 Views
It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend. Legolas - 27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM 583 Views
Yes nossy - 27/10/2012 02:20:46 AM 603 Views
There is a logically consistent way; you did not ask for it, so I will be brief. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:53:09 AM 590 Views
I suppose it is splitting hairs. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:32:43 PM 570 Views
Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM 575 Views
Re: Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Cannoli - 27/10/2012 01:17:04 AM 575 Views
Who said anything about denying them funds? Joel - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM 600 Views
God intends everything. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM 660 Views
"Intends" is a big word. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM 605 Views
Re: "Intends" is a big word. Palatine - 29/10/2012 04:56:49 PM 548 Views
I am familiar with the Problem of Evil. Joel - 29/10/2012 06:41:13 PM 559 Views
Absolutely agree. *NM* Legolas - 26/10/2012 11:47:04 PM 311 Views
It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM* random thoughts - 26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM 313 Views
that's probably because it's more relevant to most people's lives *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 06:06:10 PM 331 Views
It is sad partisanship trumps policy for so many. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:52:34 PM 507 Views
This entire scandal really speaks to the Calvinist heresy in particular. Tom - 26/10/2012 07:10:38 PM 545 Views
I was trying REALLY hard to avoid putting it in precisely those terms. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM 593 Views
Well, but really, the fundamental crux of the issue is precisely that. Tom - 27/10/2012 01:03:26 AM 561 Views
True, but disputing founding articles of faith benefits from tact. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:02:48 AM 535 Views
Come on, Tom. Dannymac - 27/10/2012 03:29:39 AM 532 Views
Are you really defending Calvinism? Be better at metaphysics. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:36:22 AM 618 Views
That's precisely the poor sophistry I'd expect from a Calvinist. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:06:31 AM 565 Views
I believe HE grasps the difference between predestination and determinism well. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:33:14 PM 597 Views
The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM 332 Views
Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM 549 Views
Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the Narg - 26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM 558 Views
how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent? moondog - 27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM 561 Views
As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM 330 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 513 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 316 Views
yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose moondog - 27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM 553 Views
It is not hard to find, really. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:40:06 AM 521 Views
Links: Narg - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM 580 Views
Double post. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:18:42 AM 311 Views
The BAIPA became federal law 2 years before Obamas Senate win; he says he would have voted for it. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:33:26 AM 535 Views
Once he started taking fire for it he said he would have voted for it? Well that clears that up. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:09:21 AM 740 Views
He "took fire" for a federal law passed before he was in Congress? Joel - 27/10/2012 04:08:25 PM 620 Views
amazing imlad - 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM 664 Views
Women are certainly encouraged to weigh in, but everyone is entitled to thoughts on the matter Joel - 28/10/2012 02:22:55 PM 541 Views
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