They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently
Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM
I was watching re-runs of Dragnet on Hulu, funny bit where they shake their heads at how 'Promiscuity is glamorous, even homosexuality is praiseworthy'. It hasn't been that long, and in a lot of places Dems didn't just stay quiet or murmur about gay rights while talking against gay marriage, they pushed actively against it. Don't forget that Westboro Church scumbag ran on a Dem ticket. Now the left did get their act together on gay rights faster than the right, which is commendable, but the Dem Leadership has no moral authority (with some exceptions) on the issue, because most of them simply took a weak stand on an issue that deserves a strong moral one either way. It's not a middle ground issue, even if gay marriage itself is one people can be civil and disagree on.
Being against gay marriage isn't "Far Right" it's about half the country and was about two-thirds or more or whole lifetime, you can't call anything far or fringe unless it's at least under a quarter of the population. Also, Bachmann got spit for vote in the primary and Limbaugh never ran for anything, Palin doesn't actually have very many extreme views that I know of and was only ever elected to Governor of a tiny state. BAchmann represents the part no more than Kucinch or McKinney, Palin is no more representative of the party than Liebermann (who got kicked out) or Edwards (who is a scumbag). Limbaugh, Olbermann. You want to talk about say McCain? Someone we did vote for?
and more dems voted for bush in florida in 2000 than nader's whole vote total, but guess who gets blamed for "spoiling" the election? just because rank and file republicans are more enlightened than their national leaders does not mean the republicans *image* is that of a centrist political party. even though the dems did not embrace gay marriage as an issue until obama "came out" in favor of it, they still didn't push bills through their respective state legislatures calling for specifically making marriage between gay people illegal. going back to the root of the whole issue, which party was the one to bring it up in the first place? it wasn't a dem who introduced DOMA in the house or senate. also, arguing "they do it too" doesn't really change the perception people are going to have about the parties and their political leanings left or right.
just to make the point clear: i am not arguing that the republicans are a far right party, i am only answering the post that they are taking far right positions, and therefore have a perception of being farther right than they probably are in actuality. when your party is led by people like palin, limbaugh and bachmann, you'll have to excuse the rest of the world for thinking they speak for all of you.
Being against gay marriage isn't "Far Right" it's about half the country and was about two-thirds or more or whole lifetime, you can't call anything far or fringe unless it's at least under a quarter of the population. Also, Bachmann got spit for vote in the primary and Limbaugh never ran for anything, Palin doesn't actually have very many extreme views that I know of and was only ever elected to Governor of a tiny state. BAchmann represents the part no more than Kucinch or McKinney, Palin is no more representative of the party than Liebermann (who got kicked out) or Edwards (who is a scumbag). Limbaugh, Olbermann. You want to talk about say McCain? Someone we did vote for?
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate
11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM
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Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year.
11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM
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Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous
11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM
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it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things
11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM
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Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months?
11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM
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yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people
12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM
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They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently
12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM
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I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely)
11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM
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I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron.....
12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM
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If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run.
12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM
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Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system.
12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM
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Who said anything about the two-party system?
12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM
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No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting.
12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM
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I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting.
12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM
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Nice asshatery.
12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM
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Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option.....
12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM
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Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM*
12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM
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Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please."
12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM
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Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race
12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM
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Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind.
12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM
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I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM*
13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM
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I'm happy with it, I like Ryan
11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM
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What a shock.
11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM
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Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare.
11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM
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Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare.....
12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM
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The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP.
12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM
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Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed.
12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM
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So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?!
12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM
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Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65.
12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM
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Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable."
12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM
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definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november
11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM
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Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green)
11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM
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Who cares? He's hot.
11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM
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I actually said, "He's not hot enough."
13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM
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On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception.
13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM
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Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005?
12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM
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Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video.
12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM
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No, it doesn't change my opinion any
12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM
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I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee.
12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM
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Yes, they disavowed him
12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM
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Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name.
12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM
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Does not work in the US
13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM
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We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters.
13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM
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I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything.
12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM
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But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not?
12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM
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Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience.
13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM
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What should Obama have done?
13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM
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Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama.
12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM
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But doesn't he say he detests Rand?
12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM
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No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her
13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM
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that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM*
13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM
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Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense.
13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM
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Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM*
14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM
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he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM*
20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM
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Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society.
13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM
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Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours
13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM
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Don't get me wrong
13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM
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Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did
13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM
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What an amusing retrospective.
13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM
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I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens.
14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM
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It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.)
14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM
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Interesting.
14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM
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They have a pill for that now.
14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM
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I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM*
15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM
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Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem.
16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM
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Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican.
14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM
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No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood?
13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM
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I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat.
13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM
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I agree with your statements
14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM
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It's mostly nonsense
14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM
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Well
14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM
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'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media
14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM
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I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM
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Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word.
15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM
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I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad.
15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM
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Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway
15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM
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The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses.
14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM
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I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either.
14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM
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I see your point, but...
14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM
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Well
14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM
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Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again?
21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM
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Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly.
14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM
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