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Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity) nossy Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM
And that reason alone? Besides, parents exhibit condescension towards their children at all opportunities - it can exist w/in "love." Anyway, at the core, it's about believing you know better than someone, and deciding to do something to save their damned soul in case they Get It. That's pretty nearly the definition of condescension, even if it's done for pure love, as you state.


Mormons believe there is a waiting period between death and the resurrection/final judgement during which waiting period the spirits of the dead are in various states of waiting depending on the state of their soul at death.

Limbo. So do Catholics.

Mormons believe that the gospel will be preached to all who did not accept it during this life, whether out of rebelion, ignorance, or anything in between. Baptisms are performed on behalf of all deceased, who, according to mormon belief, can choose to accept it or not. Even the mormons believe that the baptism is meaningless unless the deceased expressly accepts it.

Of course anyone can choose to be offended at this practice if they wish. But it is entirely unintrusive and done only out of sincere love for all people. You would actually have to go out of your way to even know if it had happened.

If people feel it is condescending, well it is no more condescending than someone trying to share their faith with you in an unintrusive manner. I've had people try to share their faith with me, I find it endearing, even if the tacit implication is that they think my beliefs are wrong, heretical, stupid, etc. I don't see how it is really effing rude.

Sharing one's faith is different from being actively evangelized. Whether you truly believe it (evang. and/or this posthumous baptism) is all about love or no, neither is an "unintrusive" concept. You must be a special kind of person to find it endearing when someone is treating you as though you're "wrong, heretical, stupid, etc." That doesn't mean it's not condescension. And some weak people like me find condescension between adults really effing rude.
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Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 07:10:57 PM 1950 Views
Or, you could baptize one of them, posthumously. nossy - 28/02/2012 07:32:48 PM 1289 Views
Ooo that is hilarious *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:22:19 PM 458 Views
I can't think of any reason for an atheist to be annoyed by that. Tim - 28/02/2012 11:08:44 PM 1033 Views
Well, for starters, it's really effing rude. nossy - 28/02/2012 11:31:36 PM 1075 Views
It is an act of love. Narg - 29/02/2012 12:34:03 AM 1083 Views
Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity) nossy - 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM 978 Views
I have some disturbing news for you... Narg - 29/02/2012 06:42:41 PM 1019 Views
For anyone reading this: the guy above is wrong, and I am admitting that to you on his behalf, so nossy - 29/02/2012 07:15:38 PM 1054 Views
Maybe without realizing it, you have articulated.... Jeordam - 29/02/2012 07:24:13 PM 878 Views
I actually find that conversation quite interesting. nossy - 29/02/2012 08:18:35 PM 999 Views
Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting. Jeordam - 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM 1057 Views
I cannot possibly agree more with these two paragraphs of yours... LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 09:28:09 PM 1035 Views
I'm surprised to see some of this. nossy - 01/03/2012 12:11:31 PM 896 Views
I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Joel - 02/03/2012 09:05:29 AM 1421 Views
Re: I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Jeordam - 02/03/2012 06:26:06 PM 1188 Views
There are 3 critical distinctions: 1) Ability to sin, 2) Awareness of sin and 3) Appreciation of sin Joel - 05/03/2012 04:08:36 AM 973 Views
You said it was really effing rude. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:18:40 PM 1065 Views
I meant that the act of choosing for someone else nossy - 29/02/2012 08:54:02 PM 963 Views
Question snoopcester - 29/02/2012 07:58:32 PM 1037 Views
No, I don't blame them or think they are fools. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:41:13 PM 1007 Views
It is not an act of love to defy the beliefs of a loved one. LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:32:45 PM 1127 Views
Rape? That is ridiculous. Narg - 29/02/2012 05:26:13 PM 1032 Views
It's a bit of hyperbole, but not too far from it, imo LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 05:45:39 PM 1065 Views
You are trying your best to not understand. Narg - 29/02/2012 07:12:57 PM 1051 Views
I suspect that that is where a lot of the issue with it lies. Chas - 02/03/2012 01:33:43 AM 1103 Views
one thing nossy - 29/02/2012 06:25:45 PM 1072 Views
Precisely *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 06:59:15 PM 503 Views
Bad example Praziquantel - 05/03/2012 05:06:21 AM 1120 Views
"Spiritual rape" might be going a bit far, but otherwise that sounds about right. Joel - 02/03/2012 08:06:48 AM 1100 Views
Why would they be angry about that? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:23:56 AM 1189 Views
Denying people rights since it was written 3000 years ago? jh - 28/02/2012 07:44:02 PM 987 Views
Isn't religion different than faith, though? Nate - 28/02/2012 07:44:07 PM 1090 Views
Yeah that's pretty much what I said Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:21:56 PM 875 Views
Only if I get to be Pope. Nate - 28/02/2012 08:25:45 PM 984 Views
I love me my vices! Thanks Pope Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:14:27 PM 872 Views
Generally the same way you piss off anyone else Isaac - 28/02/2012 08:43:04 PM 999 Views
Great post. Narg - 28/02/2012 09:18:38 PM 1009 Views
I find that the best way is to smile. Dannymac - 29/02/2012 06:23:50 AM 1012 Views
Some answers Narg - 28/02/2012 09:05:35 PM 942 Views
that won't work on Buddists Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 09:21:48 PM 1021 Views
On the other hand ... Nate - 28/02/2012 09:28:27 PM 871 Views
For some reason I always imagine Buddhists as the monk class on RPG games... *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:13:27 PM 504 Views
LOL same *NM* ironclad - 28/02/2012 10:31:38 PM 480 Views
That's always been my view of the issue. Half-assed non-religious types are just as obnoxious too. Cannoli - 28/02/2012 10:34:12 PM 1250 Views
Seems a got both a pat on the back and a scathing rebuke. I call that a good day Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 11:57:45 PM 1306 Views
Best way to anger an atheist, by declaring all atheists are the same. *NM* Roland00 - 28/02/2012 10:38:51 PM 646 Views
Telling anyone what they actually believe will work. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:56 PM 472 Views
This kind of works for many, doesn't it? Jeordam - 29/02/2012 06:22:33 PM 887 Views
I'm an atheist, and I consider it to be my religion. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:00 PM 447 Views
Common error number 1: "Atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist." Tim - 28/02/2012 11:18:23 PM 1178 Views
I second that DomA - 29/02/2012 03:46:15 AM 993 Views
Curiously, anger at statements of simple obvious facts is a hallmark of religious fundamentalism. Joel - 29/02/2012 10:27:29 AM 1106 Views
What you're doing there is defining "atheist" and "agnostic" in a way that suits you, but... Tim - 29/02/2012 11:50:27 AM 912 Views
What I am doing is using the terms as they were universally used until about the time I was born. Joel - 05/03/2012 01:11:21 AM 1037 Views
So what do you call this position?: Tim - 05/03/2012 08:43:20 AM 1006 Views
I call them both agnostic, but the former leans toward atheism while the latter has no lean. Joel - 05/03/2012 10:53:02 AM 1074 Views
See, there you go again, defining atheism in such a way as to make it sound ridiculous. Tim - 05/03/2012 11:21:17 AM 888 Views
Well, is unswerving belief a good thing, or not? Joel - 05/03/2012 11:57:05 AM 1106 Views
What's happening nossy - 05/03/2012 02:24:41 PM 1090 Views
Conversationally, DKs use of "atheism" at the start of this convo is the only practical definition. Joel - 07/03/2012 03:10:18 AM 1415 Views
Oh really? The guy who was doing it to annoy people? nossy - 07/03/2012 09:53:38 PM 993 Views
The guy who was doing it to annoy atheists based on the terms technical and popular meaning, yes. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:04:36 AM 881 Views
Whatever. nossy - 12/03/2012 12:39:24 AM 1345 Views
*NM* nossy - 12/03/2012 01:14:39 AM 507 Views
I understand that as "I completely agree." Joel - 13/03/2012 12:11:18 AM 1156 Views
I saw it as.... TaskmasterJack - 13/03/2012 10:44:37 PM 916 Views
My browser does not like your gif. Joel - 13/03/2012 11:32:06 PM 1165 Views
I have known very few people who "believe" their religion from rearing and actually understand it. Joel - 29/02/2012 12:08:01 PM 1239 Views
I have a few good quotes for this one. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/02/2012 03:29:22 PM 1002 Views
I snerfled. *NM* Avendesora - 29/02/2012 05:12:32 PM 491 Views
I thought that was "best way to make an atheist roll his/her eyes at you"? *NM* Craig - 29/02/2012 11:05:21 PM 597 Views
Re: That's it? *NM* RomaVenkat - 01/03/2012 06:33:48 AM 546 Views
Re: Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Nefarious - 02/03/2012 01:47:03 AM 940 Views
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