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Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity) nossy Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM
And that reason alone? Besides, parents exhibit condescension towards their children at all opportunities - it can exist w/in "love." Anyway, at the core, it's about believing you know better than someone, and deciding to do something to save their damned soul in case they Get It. That's pretty nearly the definition of condescension, even if it's done for pure love, as you state.


Mormons believe there is a waiting period between death and the resurrection/final judgement during which waiting period the spirits of the dead are in various states of waiting depending on the state of their soul at death.

Limbo. So do Catholics.

Mormons believe that the gospel will be preached to all who did not accept it during this life, whether out of rebelion, ignorance, or anything in between. Baptisms are performed on behalf of all deceased, who, according to mormon belief, can choose to accept it or not. Even the mormons believe that the baptism is meaningless unless the deceased expressly accepts it.

Of course anyone can choose to be offended at this practice if they wish. But it is entirely unintrusive and done only out of sincere love for all people. You would actually have to go out of your way to even know if it had happened.

If people feel it is condescending, well it is no more condescending than someone trying to share their faith with you in an unintrusive manner. I've had people try to share their faith with me, I find it endearing, even if the tacit implication is that they think my beliefs are wrong, heretical, stupid, etc. I don't see how it is really effing rude.

Sharing one's faith is different from being actively evangelized. Whether you truly believe it (evang. and/or this posthumous baptism) is all about love or no, neither is an "unintrusive" concept. You must be a special kind of person to find it endearing when someone is treating you as though you're "wrong, heretical, stupid, etc." That doesn't mean it's not condescension. And some weak people like me find condescension between adults really effing rude.
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Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 07:10:57 PM 1858 Views
Or, you could baptize one of them, posthumously. nossy - 28/02/2012 07:32:48 PM 1190 Views
Ooo that is hilarious *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:22:19 PM 428 Views
I can't think of any reason for an atheist to be annoyed by that. Tim - 28/02/2012 11:08:44 PM 948 Views
Well, for starters, it's really effing rude. nossy - 28/02/2012 11:31:36 PM 986 Views
It is an act of love. Narg - 29/02/2012 12:34:03 AM 1010 Views
Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity) nossy - 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM 900 Views
I have some disturbing news for you... Narg - 29/02/2012 06:42:41 PM 948 Views
For anyone reading this: the guy above is wrong, and I am admitting that to you on his behalf, so nossy - 29/02/2012 07:15:38 PM 958 Views
Maybe without realizing it, you have articulated.... Jeordam - 29/02/2012 07:24:13 PM 813 Views
I actually find that conversation quite interesting. nossy - 29/02/2012 08:18:35 PM 935 Views
Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting. Jeordam - 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM 959 Views
I cannot possibly agree more with these two paragraphs of yours... LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 09:28:09 PM 970 Views
I'm surprised to see some of this. nossy - 01/03/2012 12:11:31 PM 825 Views
I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Joel - 02/03/2012 09:05:29 AM 1331 Views
Re: I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part. Jeordam - 02/03/2012 06:26:06 PM 1110 Views
There are 3 critical distinctions: 1) Ability to sin, 2) Awareness of sin and 3) Appreciation of sin Joel - 05/03/2012 04:08:36 AM 881 Views
You said it was really effing rude. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:18:40 PM 995 Views
I meant that the act of choosing for someone else nossy - 29/02/2012 08:54:02 PM 885 Views
Question snoopcester - 29/02/2012 07:58:32 PM 998 Views
No, I don't blame them or think they are fools. Narg - 29/02/2012 08:41:13 PM 911 Views
It is not an act of love to defy the beliefs of a loved one. LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:32:45 PM 1055 Views
Rape? That is ridiculous. Narg - 29/02/2012 05:26:13 PM 959 Views
It's a bit of hyperbole, but not too far from it, imo LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 05:45:39 PM 990 Views
You are trying your best to not understand. Narg - 29/02/2012 07:12:57 PM 978 Views
I suspect that that is where a lot of the issue with it lies. Chas - 02/03/2012 01:33:43 AM 1029 Views
one thing nossy - 29/02/2012 06:25:45 PM 999 Views
Precisely *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 06:59:15 PM 474 Views
Bad example Praziquantel - 05/03/2012 05:06:21 AM 1047 Views
"Spiritual rape" might be going a bit far, but otherwise that sounds about right. Joel - 02/03/2012 08:06:48 AM 1020 Views
Why would they be angry about that? Hieshyn - 02/03/2012 01:23:56 AM 1116 Views
Denying people rights since it was written 3000 years ago? jh - 28/02/2012 07:44:02 PM 911 Views
Isn't religion different than faith, though? Nate - 28/02/2012 07:44:07 PM 1015 Views
Yeah that's pretty much what I said Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 08:21:56 PM 805 Views
Only if I get to be Pope. Nate - 28/02/2012 08:25:45 PM 918 Views
I love me my vices! Thanks Pope Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:14:27 PM 788 Views
Generally the same way you piss off anyone else Isaac - 28/02/2012 08:43:04 PM 932 Views
Great post. Narg - 28/02/2012 09:18:38 PM 913 Views
I find that the best way is to smile. Dannymac - 29/02/2012 06:23:50 AM 934 Views
Some answers Narg - 28/02/2012 09:05:35 PM 881 Views
that won't work on Buddists Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 09:21:48 PM 953 Views
On the other hand ... Nate - 28/02/2012 09:28:27 PM 793 Views
For some reason I always imagine Buddhists as the monk class on RPG games... *NM* Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 10:13:27 PM 473 Views
LOL same *NM* ironclad - 28/02/2012 10:31:38 PM 451 Views
That's always been my view of the issue. Half-assed non-religious types are just as obnoxious too. Cannoli - 28/02/2012 10:34:12 PM 1168 Views
Seems a got both a pat on the back and a scathing rebuke. I call that a good day Dark Knight - 28/02/2012 11:57:45 PM 1237 Views
Best way to anger an atheist, by declaring all atheists are the same. *NM* Roland00 - 28/02/2012 10:38:51 PM 616 Views
Telling anyone what they actually believe will work. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:56 PM 443 Views
This kind of works for many, doesn't it? Jeordam - 29/02/2012 06:22:33 PM 815 Views
I'm an atheist, and I consider it to be my religion. *NM* Aeryn - 28/02/2012 10:51:00 PM 426 Views
Common error number 1: "Atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist." Tim - 28/02/2012 11:18:23 PM 1099 Views
I second that DomA - 29/02/2012 03:46:15 AM 915 Views
Curiously, anger at statements of simple obvious facts is a hallmark of religious fundamentalism. Joel - 29/02/2012 10:27:29 AM 1038 Views
What you're doing there is defining "atheist" and "agnostic" in a way that suits you, but... Tim - 29/02/2012 11:50:27 AM 836 Views
What I am doing is using the terms as they were universally used until about the time I was born. Joel - 05/03/2012 01:11:21 AM 973 Views
So what do you call this position?: Tim - 05/03/2012 08:43:20 AM 929 Views
I call them both agnostic, but the former leans toward atheism while the latter has no lean. Joel - 05/03/2012 10:53:02 AM 984 Views
See, there you go again, defining atheism in such a way as to make it sound ridiculous. Tim - 05/03/2012 11:21:17 AM 807 Views
Well, is unswerving belief a good thing, or not? Joel - 05/03/2012 11:57:05 AM 1034 Views
What's happening nossy - 05/03/2012 02:24:41 PM 1017 Views
Conversationally, DKs use of "atheism" at the start of this convo is the only practical definition. Joel - 07/03/2012 03:10:18 AM 1323 Views
Oh really? The guy who was doing it to annoy people? nossy - 07/03/2012 09:53:38 PM 922 Views
The guy who was doing it to annoy atheists based on the terms technical and popular meaning, yes. Joel - 11/03/2012 04:04:36 AM 797 Views
Whatever. nossy - 12/03/2012 12:39:24 AM 1238 Views
*NM* nossy - 12/03/2012 01:14:39 AM 447 Views
I understand that as "I completely agree." Joel - 13/03/2012 12:11:18 AM 1076 Views
I saw it as.... TaskmasterJack - 13/03/2012 10:44:37 PM 832 Views
My browser does not like your gif. Joel - 13/03/2012 11:32:06 PM 1087 Views
I have known very few people who "believe" their religion from rearing and actually understand it. Joel - 29/02/2012 12:08:01 PM 1165 Views
I have a few good quotes for this one. Dreaded Anomaly - 29/02/2012 03:29:22 PM 931 Views
I snerfled. *NM* Avendesora - 29/02/2012 05:12:32 PM 462 Views
I thought that was "best way to make an atheist roll his/her eyes at you"? *NM* Craig - 29/02/2012 11:05:21 PM 566 Views
Re: That's it? *NM* RomaVenkat - 01/03/2012 06:33:48 AM 519 Views
Re: Do you know the best way to anger an atheist? Nefarious - 02/03/2012 01:47:03 AM 866 Views
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