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They do. Rebekah Send a noteboard - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM
Why isn't that being discussed and debated? If it's a legitimate life choice for a woman to stay home, then it should be so for a man as well. Yet somehow people balk at extending the logic.

It's just more practical for the mother in most cases (especially in the early months) because of breastfeeding.

At least over here the government is slowly beginning to understand that "maternity" pay should be "parental" pay. It's been that way for a while in some (if not all) Scandinavian countries.

This kind of attitude change takes a long time.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2150 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1228 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1222 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1250 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 624 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1208 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1257 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1239 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1215 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1240 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1242 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1178 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1304 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 657 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1231 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1199 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1261 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1227 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1193 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1234 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1093 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1117 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1164 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1170 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 695 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1146 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1255 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1264 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1131 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1125 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1158 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1186 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 757 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1245 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1191 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1139 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1115 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1141 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1116 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1170 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1157 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1202 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1128 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1079 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1179 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 694 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1106 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 620 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1268 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1111 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1196 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1202 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1058 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1118 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1100 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1265 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1173 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1101 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1083 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1108 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1107 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1087 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1099 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1144 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1106 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1132 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1128 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1069 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1167 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1206 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1036 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1157 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1054 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1138 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1029 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1103 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1038 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1192 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 606 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1088 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1134 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1153 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1002 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1099 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1036 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1101 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 985 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1150 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1141 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1165 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1059 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1284 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1243 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1114 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1148 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1146 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1165 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1160 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1072 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1131 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1169 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1259 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1146 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1137 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1048 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1012 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1137 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1126 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1165 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1158 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1151 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1070 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1107 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1086 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1171 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 616 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1132 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1166 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 546 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1160 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 609 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1153 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1116 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1095 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2143 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1089 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1150 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1095 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1086 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1055 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1058 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1137 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1139 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 633 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 603 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1159 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1129 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1055 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1182 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1148 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1089 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1173 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1180 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1103 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1227 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1136 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1139 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1119 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1129 Views
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