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Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize. Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM
Like several other notable perpetrators of political crimes, this guy Loughner seems to have a rather confused view of politics with opinions ranging all over the place. If he can in the end be tied to some person or group who would have influenced him to act as he did, it certainly won't be any important or mainstream person/group.

That said, it is admittedly possible but rather unlikely that the shooting was entirely unrelated to politics - i.e., that it was a coincidence that Giffords was the first target. Nobody but Loughner himself is responsible for his actions, but until we know more about his exact motivations, the assumption that there is a connection between his actions and the current political climate is rather more likely than the assumption that there is not. And really, even if it should turn out that there is in fact no connection at all, and the guy had personal reasons for targeting Giffords, the incident may still serve as a wake-up call to the nation that the polarization is reaching dangerous levels. Polarization, of course, being something that per definition involves two "poles". Keith Olbermann certainly doesn't have any room to talk. If some of the left think that their aggressive rhetoric can't possibly lead to violence, I invite them to take a look at the Netherlands and the case of Pim Fortuyn - or, on a less violent but still disturbing level, incidents like the hacking of Sarah Palin's email by liberal whizzkids. Guns are of course associated with the right more than with the left, but since it only takes one deranged person to commit political crimes, such averages are fairly meaningless - and in any case, politics are not so simple that you can neatly divide people into right-wing and left-wing. In that regard, Reynolds certainly has a point - when prominent left-wing politicians point accusing fingers at "the right" or at prominent symbols of the right, be it the Tea Party or Sarah Palin, they are only exacerbating matters. But all politicians left and right should, as I said, consider this an alarm sign about the tone in political discourse and the polarization in politics, and I get the impression that Reynolds is a bit too hasty in amalgamating the latter with the former. As were, incidentally, some people on this forum in the other thread, when reacting to Danu.
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The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel - 10/01/2011 04:02:29 AM 1508 Views
The people politicizing this are idiots. - 10/01/2011 04:44:37 AM 775 Views
Can't argue with that. - 10/01/2011 08:05:32 AM 744 Views
Nothing to argue with there. *NM* - 10/01/2011 05:04:49 AM 285 Views
I do agree it's not her fault; she is a non-entity. - 10/01/2011 12:38:24 PM 712 Views
I agree. *NM* - 10/01/2011 03:41:30 PM 452 Views
The NYT and liberal media have created a climate of stupidity - 10/01/2011 05:47:29 PM 805 Views
Pot, Kettle. I think you two should discuss your color. - 10/01/2011 09:26:05 PM 818 Views
nice try but no - 10/01/2011 09:52:01 PM 732 Views
Close your eyes and fill your ears all you want... - 10/01/2011 10:51:45 PM 711 Views
that is hoot coming from the chicken little party - 11/01/2011 02:17:37 PM 727 Views
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...." - 10/01/2011 11:53:10 PM 984 Views
no you are just wearing Danny's blinders - 11/01/2011 02:15:46 PM 830 Views
I try to steer clear of personal attacks. - 11/01/2011 04:00:35 PM 745 Views
I try to make my point clear and I can't help if you skip them - 11/01/2011 05:02:41 PM 738 Views
I didn't skip your points, I disputed them. - 11/01/2011 05:51:10 PM 704 Views
you keep claiming both sides but you fail to offer any support - 11/01/2011 06:00:41 PM 748 Views
Not so; you choose not to see the supporting arguments. - 11/01/2011 10:21:09 PM 705 Views
repeating the same claim is not the same as supporting it - 11/01/2011 11:36:52 PM 621 Views
Those who have accused specific people or groups will most likely have to backtrack and apologize. - 10/01/2011 06:48:33 PM 873 Views
they will neither back track or apologize - 10/01/2011 07:54:54 PM 744 Views
I don't really think the NYT has crossed that line I was talking about. - 10/01/2011 09:54:36 PM 755 Views
not sure where you draw your line but this crosses mine - 10/01/2011 10:11:04 PM 857 Views
Yes, well, Krugman is Krugman. - 10/01/2011 10:25:31 PM 695 Views
You see to be arguing we should assume his political views were created by the politcal climate - 11/01/2011 03:03:15 PM 936 Views
Indeed I am. - 11/01/2011 06:18:56 PM 749 Views
wasn't pim fortuyn a right winger though? - 11/01/2011 04:33:26 PM 670 Views
Um, yes, that was pretty much the point I was making. - 11/01/2011 06:22:06 PM 750 Views
Was there anyhting besides his stance on immigration to support the argument he was far right? - 11/01/2011 06:31:05 PM 894 Views
Yes, though it's true that is the key part. - 11/01/2011 07:11:13 PM 858 Views
can one posistion define you as being far right or far left? - 11/01/2011 08:23:18 PM 788 Views
One single position? I wouldn't know, I can't think of any examples. - 11/01/2011 08:41:58 PM 837 Views
yes you did - 11/01/2011 11:40:50 PM 967 Views
ok i get it now - 12/01/2011 02:33:48 AM 704 Views
... cut both ways because soulless opportunism knows no creed: - 10/01/2011 09:46:31 PM 794 Views
They probably wouldn't say much because it really doesn't show much - 10/01/2011 09:58:46 PM 673 Views
It really doesn't show that he has "left leanings". - 10/01/2011 10:07:48 PM 777 Views
Well they call him a liberal and like it or not the Nazi movement was an extreme form of socialism - 10/01/2011 10:22:04 PM 884 Views
Deep sigh. - 10/01/2011 10:34:33 PM 816 Views
well we are talking about the US right and left not the European one - 11/01/2011 01:11:30 PM 749 Views
Actually, I believe we were talking about the Nazi right or left. - 11/01/2011 07:04:56 PM 843 Views
wow I really need to stop posting from my i-phone an you deserve a cookie for being able to follow - 11/01/2011 07:48:35 PM 924 Views
A thousand times no. - 11/01/2011 10:38:19 PM 967 Views
Thank you. - 12/01/2011 07:07:14 PM 830 Views
as for how they want to use this - 12/01/2011 07:35:12 PM 880 Views
Liberal college professors didn't call the nazis far right, people who lived under Nazis did. - 10/01/2011 10:56:33 PM 1052 Views
If demoniizing your opponet makes your a fscist then you have made my argument for me - 11/01/2011 01:25:51 PM 875 Views
In a word, no. - 11/01/2011 04:29:36 PM 704 Views
really would you like to point to the right trying to use this to demonize the left? - 11/01/2011 05:59:49 PM 711 Views
I already have, irrespective of your inability and/or refusal to see it. - 11/01/2011 09:53:38 PM 789 Views
so point pointing out blood libel is the same as commiting it? - 11/01/2011 11:31:41 PM 1074 Views
I don't know enough about the story to say much save that partisan finger pointing is wrong. - 10/01/2011 10:30:51 PM 855 Views
First I don't even know who WorldNet is so I see no reasont o defend them - 11/01/2011 01:36:44 PM 742 Views
For someone who doens't know who WND is you sure circled the wagons around them fast. - 11/01/2011 04:21:40 PM 934 Views
No they are in no way the same - 11/01/2011 05:06:43 PM 714 Views
They're precisely the same in tone. - 11/01/2011 06:04:42 PM 816 Views
the only thing you have proven is that you have zero support for your argument - 11/01/2011 06:36:14 PM 738 Views
Enough. - 11/01/2011 10:18:59 PM 726 Views
your evidience is dribble and if that is the best you can I am sorry - 11/01/2011 11:39:05 PM 711 Views
Liberals and Conservatives have rushed to frame Jared Lee Loughner’s motives... - 10/01/2011 10:34:09 PM 900 Views
Sounds like a plan. - 10/01/2011 11:11:50 PM 806 Views

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