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On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM
I infer that there are substances that I will never observe but some other conscious being has or will. And I imagine that God observes all, but maybe even he enjoys the occasional emergent surprise. If any of that fits with what you mean by "spiritual substance," then yes.

But not in any animist sense. I don't believe that souls exist as a special substance, for instance. I am just one of many examples of awesome physical programming.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? Lordling - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 821 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* random thoughts - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 247 Views
No *NM* Insolitus - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 225 Views
not a chance *NM* clam - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 234 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 616 Views
On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM 557 Views
aaah but who says we can percieve all there is to percieve in relation to our persons? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 04:14:08 PM 518 Views
But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM 494 Views
i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 07:50:27 PM 552 Views
Re: i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" Burr - 14/09/2009 08:05:41 PM 553 Views
Carts and horses. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:10:22 PM 684 Views
No *NM* Monkey - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 227 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? jh - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 552 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? Lordling - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 529 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things Matrimony Cauthon - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 565 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 573 Views
No. *NM* Entophile - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 222 Views
define "spiritual'. Avendesora - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 500 Views
Rum. Craig - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 557 Views
YES! *NM* Elaine - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 255 Views
How are we not married? *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 230 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 212 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 234 Views
Timing *NM* Elaine - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 225 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* Craig - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 241 Views
Your Face. *NM* jh - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 223 Views
My Achilles face! Craig - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 452 Views
No *NM* Dragonsworn - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 214 Views
No *NM* Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 229 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* Stephen - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 213 Views
Substance? Great Lord of Chaos - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 518 Views
Yeah, boobs. Vodalus - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 501 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 544 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. jh - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 572 Views
Sorry. Joel - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 502 Views
Re: Sorry. Burr - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 474 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 531 Views
Nicely put. *NM* everynametaken - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 207 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 211 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 751 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose Sports_Gambler - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 488 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 623 Views
One little correction Isaac - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 630 Views
That makes it more complex, but I agree the same basic problem persists. Joel - 07/10/2009 12:11:07 PM 660 Views
Nay. Burr - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 489 Views
Re: Nay. Joel - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 544 Views
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