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On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr Send a noteboard - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM
I infer that there are substances that I will never observe but some other conscious being has or will. And I imagine that God observes all, but maybe even he enjoys the occasional emergent surprise. If any of that fits with what you mean by "spiritual substance," then yes.

But not in any animist sense. I don't believe that souls exist as a special substance, for instance. I am just one of many examples of awesome physical programming.
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Do you think there's some kind of spiritual substance in the universe? Lordling - 14/09/2009 02:42:22 PM 887 Views
no, it is mostly hydrogen *NM* random thoughts - 14/09/2009 02:43:47 PM 274 Views
No *NM* Insolitus - 14/09/2009 03:01:32 PM 252 Views
not a chance *NM* clam - 14/09/2009 03:23:02 PM 254 Views
yes (in as much that we could choose to define it that way) LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 03:31:40 PM 683 Views
On a gut level, I think all substance is teleologically tied to one or more kinds of consciousness. Burr - 14/09/2009 04:03:31 PM 622 Views
aaah but who says we can percieve all there is to percieve in relation to our persons? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 04:14:08 PM 595 Views
But merely positing a soul (as a spiritual substance) doesn't actually explain anything. Burr - 14/09/2009 07:46:35 PM 563 Views
i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 07:50:27 PM 623 Views
Re: i'm not saying that all inexplained qualities are due to "soul" Burr - 14/09/2009 08:05:41 PM 624 Views
Carts and horses. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:10:22 PM 753 Views
No *NM* Monkey - 14/09/2009 05:14:33 PM 255 Views
Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? jh - 14/09/2009 05:27:09 PM 622 Views
Re: Wouldn't spiritual and substance be mutually exclusive? Lordling - 14/09/2009 06:20:45 PM 608 Views
I think there is definitely a spiritual force that underlies the unity of all things Matrimony Cauthon - 14/09/2009 06:11:01 PM 646 Views
That sounds very like gnosticism in many ways. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:17:51 PM 654 Views
No. *NM* Entophile - 14/09/2009 07:06:59 PM 247 Views
define "spiritual'. Avendesora - 14/09/2009 07:36:18 PM 572 Views
Rum. Craig - 14/09/2009 08:25:46 PM 635 Views
YES! *NM* Elaine - 16/09/2009 02:10:55 PM 280 Views
How are we not married? *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 04:10:13 AM 255 Views
Bigamy laws. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/09/2009 03:49:59 PM 239 Views
My Achilles heel! *NM* Craig - 19/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 260 Views
Timing *NM* Elaine - 21/09/2009 12:51:37 PM 253 Views
My Achilles ankle! *NM* Craig - 21/09/2009 08:14:42 PM 269 Views
Your Face. *NM* jh - 21/09/2009 08:21:44 PM 256 Views
My Achilles face! Craig - 07/10/2009 09:40:36 PM 525 Views
No *NM* Dragonsworn - 14/09/2009 09:09:16 PM 240 Views
No *NM* Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:31:14 PM 256 Views
Yes, vodka. *NM* Stephen - 14/09/2009 10:02:19 PM 239 Views
Substance? Great Lord of Chaos - 14/09/2009 10:08:04 PM 591 Views
Yeah, boobs. Vodalus - 15/09/2009 01:51:44 AM 581 Views
Not the way I'd put it, as jh notes, but unquestionably. Joel - 15/09/2009 03:17:22 PM 615 Views
Look, don't put words in my mouth. jh - 15/09/2009 04:50:13 PM 639 Views
Sorry. Joel - 15/09/2009 05:14:10 PM 567 Views
Re: Sorry. Burr - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 547 Views
People over-complicate this, it's a sort of animal abuse Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:03:01 PM 604 Views
Nicely put. *NM* everynametaken - 17/09/2009 01:57:44 AM 236 Views
Very nicely put. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/09/2009 06:57:57 PM 232 Views
A sublte nuance most modern materialists miss. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:21:33 PM 827 Views
I think there may be platonic forms defining purpose Sports_Gambler - 16/09/2009 06:27:36 AM 532 Views
The material universe precludes a purely natural cause. Joel - 18/09/2009 12:04:16 PM 714 Views
One little correction Isaac - 20/09/2009 12:34:13 AM 707 Views
That makes it more complex, but I agree the same basic problem persists. Joel - 07/10/2009 12:11:07 PM 748 Views
Nay. Burr - 20/09/2009 07:04:47 AM 535 Views
Re: Nay. Joel - 07/10/2009 11:55:28 AM 643 Views
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