Actually, most of those choices weren't mine and I opposed them.
Joel Send a noteboard - 11/09/2010 04:09:43 PM
He chose to have a pet in the first place, which isn't cheap. He had more than one. The feed and regular vet bills for them over the years adds up to quite a lot. Getting and having pets are luxuries. He chooses to travel and has been doing so for a number of years if you've seen his posts. I'm sure he likes to travel. I do, too. When I can't afford it, I don't do it. He chooses not to take care of his teeth, because honey, 17 cavities is a sign of poor dental hygiene in someone his age.
Dental care can be expensive, so can lots of things. TVs are expensive. Computers are expensive. If you don't have the money, you get a loan and pay in installments. You certainly don't spend on luxuries and then demand others subsidize your choices.
Dental and medical care are no more essential than housing and food. If he told you he took $550 and spent it on travel instead of buying food or paying his mortgage/rent, I think you'd say he made poor choices and shouldn't expect us to pay for it. But for some reason his dental care is somehow excluded from any responsibility on is part.
So, yes, it is about all his choices and his life because he wants to make those choices and not have to live with what that means. He opened up his "personal life" to scrutiny when he chose to both make it public and then accept no judgments or consequences for it. And then, to top it all off, wants us to feel bad because we as a nation don't want to pay for his dental care which he didn't previously place such a high value on himself.
Dental care can be expensive, so can lots of things. TVs are expensive. Computers are expensive. If you don't have the money, you get a loan and pay in installments. You certainly don't spend on luxuries and then demand others subsidize your choices.
Dental and medical care are no more essential than housing and food. If he told you he took $550 and spent it on travel instead of buying food or paying his mortgage/rent, I think you'd say he made poor choices and shouldn't expect us to pay for it. But for some reason his dental care is somehow excluded from any responsibility on is part.
So, yes, it is about all his choices and his life because he wants to make those choices and not have to live with what that means. He opened up his "personal life" to scrutiny when he chose to both make it public and then accept no judgments or consequences for it. And then, to top it all off, wants us to feel bad because we as a nation don't want to pay for his dental care which he didn't previously place such a high value on himself.
Mother's not young or in good health, which is part of why I'm living with her (and my biggest concern about moving out, but I can't have it both ways. ) I believe my comment when we got Buddy 13 years ago was, "you wanted a puppy, you take care of him" (not that it went down that way, of course. ) As for the travel "a number of years" is all of two. As of this summer. I'd never been farther than 200 miles from home before unless I was moving (which I've done twice via Greyhound, wastrel that I am) but I was working, making good money, the bank account was going up and I thought I could afford it. Then all hell broke loose; guess I was wrong.
I know I said I wouldn't respond further, but since you don't know wtf you're talking about it's pitiable watching you try to dissect my life. And yes, I should have taken better care of my teeth on my own, but we're far from the point where I MUST lose them. That the day is coming and there's no discernible way to avert it reflects very poorly on more than just me though.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
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09/09/2010 06:12:06 PM
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17 fillings? Do you ever go to the dentist? *NM*
09/09/2010 06:26:05 PM
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seriously. that's an insane number of fillings to have been putting off.
09/09/2010 06:28:09 PM
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This is the first time in my life I've had dental insurance.
09/09/2010 06:29:44 PM
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So in other words it's your own damn fault.
09/09/2010 07:34:43 PM
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"Not that expensive" is a big phrase.
10/09/2010 05:42:55 AM
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have you tried going to a dental school?
09/09/2010 07:36:15 PM
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Congratulations: You made the first constructive suggestion in the thread.
10/09/2010 05:37:51 AM
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well, I bet it wouldn't have cost you near so much if you hadn't kept putting it off.
09/09/2010 06:29:50 PM
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Yes, I was able to figure that out on my own.
09/09/2010 06:34:58 PM
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17? Wow... do you use cola as mouthwash? *NM*
09/09/2010 06:46:28 PM
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Dr. Pepper
09/09/2010 06:47:32 PM
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Re: Dr. Pepper
10/09/2010 07:05:06 PM
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A reasonable response; amazing how it doesn't make me foam at the mouth....
11/09/2010 04:02:10 PM
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would it save you money if they just ripped them all out and put in dentures instead? *NM*
09/09/2010 09:32:41 PM
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I feel so sorry for people who have to live in uncivilised countries.
10/09/2010 12:18:11 AM
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yes he will be moving to the land known for great dental care *NM*
10/09/2010 01:01:37 AM
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I think I must have been channeling a drunken poet when I wrote that insult
10/09/2010 01:23:45 AM
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LOL A British person lecturing us about anything involving dental care.
10/09/2010 02:02:33 AM
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I love how I'm not the only one to remember very old Simpson episodes!
10/09/2010 03:58:41 AM
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When I posted regularly and prolifically that was kinda my thing.
10/09/2010 06:17:03 AM
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Where does that stereotype come from?
11/09/2010 04:52:41 PM
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Yeah, about that...
11/09/2010 09:31:11 PM
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America is fine. You just suck at it. *NM*
10/09/2010 12:29:48 AM
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Sorry for the national debt nearly as large as our GDP, falling standard of living and Iraq War.
10/09/2010 05:57:34 AM
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~shrugs~
10/09/2010 01:48:24 AM
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In this case I did without so I could get to work every day, and put my arm back in its socket.
10/09/2010 06:19:11 AM
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Your travel money would certainly have paid for a lot of dentistry. *NM*
10/09/2010 02:00:09 AM
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LITERATEDOG!!
10/09/2010 02:02:57 AM
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I was trying to go the Facebook route, but no one wants to debate anything there. *NM*
10/09/2010 02:04:48 AM
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The only people that reply to you on Facebook are people who already like you and agree with you. *NM*
10/09/2010 03:07:22 AM
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Not really.
10/09/2010 06:21:55 AM
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Oh, honey, I don't blame you for the Norway travel.
10/09/2010 06:35:10 AM
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Funny thing is I once would've agreed.
10/09/2010 08:47:34 AM
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Boohoo. You made your choices. You prioritized luxuries before dental care. Live with it.
10/09/2010 04:40:05 PM
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Joel opened himself up to this
10/09/2010 05:22:45 PM
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But it's all about his personal choices.
10/09/2010 05:33:42 PM
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A rather tangential point, but since you keep talking about what "you as a nation" pay for...
10/09/2010 06:07:10 PM
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I couldn't care less what his actual income is.
10/09/2010 06:16:41 PM
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IIRC, you think there's a huge pile of misspent money that should be returned to its owners.
11/09/2010 04:12:57 PM
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Yes.
10/09/2010 06:33:22 PM
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Whatever. Completely ignore my points because you want to hide behind the label "personal choice".
10/09/2010 11:13:02 PM
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Actually, most of those choices weren't mine and I opposed them.
11/09/2010 04:09:43 PM
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"if you really work as much as you claim, then you must piss money away at an astounding rate" eh?
11/09/2010 03:49:58 PM
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And your comparison of a celebratory party to the basic right to marry itself is ludicrous.
10/09/2010 06:55:18 AM
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That's an unfortunate situation...
10/09/2010 05:10:01 PM
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*hugs* I'm glad you got it taken care of though, and glad to hear from you; been a little worried.
11/09/2010 04:34:31 PM
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