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I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll Libby Send a noteboard - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM
... that same poll also states that 57% of Arizona voters favor an immigration policy that welcomes all immigrants "except national security threats, criminals".

So either almost every single white person in the state supports that law or there are a fair number of Hispanics who support it as well. I think the most twisted bit of logic here is that illegal immigration has grown the Hispanic population to such a s size that it is no longer in our best interest to slow it down because they have become such a large voting block. I do wonder if democrats would feel the same way if Hispanics were voting 60% republican instead of the other way around. More poor uneducated people means more support for the democratic party.


Well, you made a claim in your last response that 80% of the country is "cheering them on." I'm not sure where you got that number from. Now if we're talking about state numbers, that's a different story.

If all poor and uneducated people supported the Democratic party, then we'd have a stranglehold on all of Appalachia. Trust me, I wish that was the case, but unfortunately it isn't. As for the demographics and party affiliation, I don't know what you want me to say in regards to that. The demographic reality is what it is, the minority in the country is going to be majority in about 20 or 40 years time according to current trends. In terms of political party, President Bush made strong inroads and got results for the Republicans in regards to the latino/hispanic demographic, although his own party ended up undoing all that in subsequent elections.

I don't put much faith in studies done by liberal groups who are out to support and argument. Real science doesn’t have a political agenda and the group you sited does.

If all of the illegal immigrants were to leave Arizona at once it would upset the system and cause problems but that isn't going to happen. They could see a significant decrease and they would not suffer from it. Keep in mind one of the biggest problems and the one this law is aimed at is not the people who have been there for years and are contributing to the economy but the transits who are just passing through headed further north and the people involved in smuggling.

If Arizona can drive the new immigrants to New Mexico and California they can loose a lot of the problems that come with them and that should more then make up for the extra arrest.

Sorry but I call BS that this is going have a negative impact on Arizona tourism. If voting against MLK day didn’t hurt I don’t how this will. There may be people expressing concern but those people are concerned for living. I would want to see a real impact on tourism before I believed this has any real impact


I guess we'll find out, at this point you and I are just trading back and forth what might and might not happen. We'll just have to wait and see.

You do need a certain number of low paid labors to keep an economy going but we can check that one off because the mob who run up to truck every time I pull into Loews leads me to believe there isn’t a shortage. As for property values that make me chuckle, can you point to an area where property values rose as the result of large numbers of Hispanics moving into the area?


Um, I didn't say anything about property values. I talked about federal services used by Households headed by documented and undocumented immigrants

Edit - Oh, I see, your referring to my comment on Property tax.
This message last edited by Libby on 28/04/2010 at 11:37:53 PM
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2032 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? Aisha - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1150 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 952 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 859 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 746 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... Napoleon62 - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 906 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 431 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1009 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost Roland00 - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 900 Views
It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against... everynametaken - 26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM 969 Views
Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM 850 Views
or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM 386 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border Dark Knight - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 866 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 878 Views
I do. Brian - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1035 Views
Re: I do. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 858 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar Brian - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 829 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1052 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 928 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point moondog - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1510 Views
Some thoughts Amys - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 961 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that random thoughts - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 844 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer moondog - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 940 Views
Re: Some thoughts BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 838 Views
It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM 878 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something snoopcester - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 840 Views
What I find interesting about all this... Legolas - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 936 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 934 Views
It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them snoopcester - 26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM 890 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 873 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... Elaine - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 829 Views
I don't know about the green cards LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 869 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 857 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 805 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. Elaine - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 936 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 781 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass random thoughts - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 903 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 842 Views
I meant by the courts random thoughts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 736 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 405 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM 436 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* beckstcw - 26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM 386 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* everynametaken - 26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM 409 Views
The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM* beckstcw - 27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM 405 Views
Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM 380 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 849 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 865 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. Legolas - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 884 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 816 Views
I agree with you Brian - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 832 Views
that is also true LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 781 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 854 Views
the differences really are not that minor random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 866 Views
hmm, see LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 762 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 787 Views
mmmm Tamale. LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 797 Views
When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here Legolas - 28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM 1071 Views
It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM 877 Views
a minor point.... moondog - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 884 Views
More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM* heartbreak - 26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM 348 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute Isaac - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1076 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1172 Views
you are correct moondog - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1212 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 825 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario Isaac - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 763 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? dart_board - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 930 Views
That's funny... LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1139 Views
echo chamber much? random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 893 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 775 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 834 Views
Those incidents are horrible LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 806 Views
Re: That's funny... dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 845 Views
And this law will not give them what they want LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 853 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. Libby - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 868 Views
now that's just crazy talk. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 796 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 374 Views
It will cost money Libby - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 846 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings random thoughts - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 777 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 827 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 893 Views
I will admit LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 801 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 771 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. Libby - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 885 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic random thoughts - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1042 Views
real science? LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 818 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 801 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason LadyLorraine - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 878 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* random thoughts - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 353 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll Libby - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1122 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this AgentOrange - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 815 Views
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