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That's my general take as well Larry Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM
I ask this because for the most part my observation of such is that "gritty" has meant the inclusion of detailed descriptions of violence, sexuality, profanity, etc (usually all rolled up into one) to enhance "realism" when the effect to me comes across as shock-value entertainment with no real purpose other than the spectactle of itself.

If people want that kind of shock entertainment, that's perfectly fine: indeed, I'm happy they have a source from which to indulge their interests.

For myself, however, the most notorious authors of such works (Goodkind, Martin, Bakker) have been the only authors whose books I never enjoyed and have been the only series I've never finished reading. In particular, I disliked Bakker so much I had to resort to skimming the latter half of the first book just to find out out happens when the description of the book and premise of the series is one I would normally find extremely interesting.


Although I do think Bakker does try to use this over the top violence to make a point about our dependence on violence as a resort (among a great many other things), I usually feel down a bit after reading his work because it is too unrelenting in its pessimistic view of human nature. Martin I think is doing more than just having violence for violence's sake, but I think much of those memorable scenes stem more from his background as a horror writer than any conscious attempt to be "gritty" (a term I despise and usually put in scare quotes to note this). Goodkind is just a horrid writer, both in talent and in content.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1804 Views
Hm, ok. - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1215 Views
I think we largely agree - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1096 Views
Re: Hm, ok. - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1085 Views
Martin, Goodkind... - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1102 Views
More than just those - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1035 Views
Re: More than just those - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 958 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 941 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 982 Views
There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1140 Views
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Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 991 Views
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My problem with aSoIaF... - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1043 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1015 Views
And that makes sense? - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1101 Views
Yes and no. - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1137 Views
Re: Yes and no. - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 994 Views
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Re: There has to be something more, though. - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 943 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 852 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 894 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 921 Views
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That's my general take as well - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 928 Views
I like violence *NM* - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 392 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1126 Views

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