Re: An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
Rebekah Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 01:00:38 PM
As I said in the characters post, I really, really like the moment when the veil parts or the fog clears for Harry, when he realises how it all fits together. It is one of my favourite moments in this part of the book precisely because I love this type of clarity, especially when there have been cryptic hints galore in the chapters leading up to it. I have not felt it as much this time, mainly because I knew what was coming and could see the pointers along the way, but I remember the first time I read it.
It is nice. And I think it's also clever, given how Harry's been wrong so often in the past. We're not sure if he's right this time because Hermione - usually the one who's so correct about everything - disagrees with it. It's another way of showing that Harry is becoming less reliant on her knowledge and is developing his own analytical side. Maybe it's one of the final steps to maturity?
A question, however: why is Harry's link to Voldemort's mind suddenly blurry? Do we ever get an explanation?
I don't recall either way.
Ted Tonks' death hit me surprisingly hard. I think because we have seen him so recently and this was off-screen.
And also for me because he's obviously such a wonderful, strong guy.
Does the taboo break all protective enchantments? And is that established? It seems like it does in the way they react to the Snatchers, but I cannot remember that being established beforehand. I know Ron says Kingsley was cornered, but that does not mean he was protected by anything.
I think it does, yes. I thought that Ron said it did. Could be wrong.
Wormtail is killed when repaying Harry (in part) for his earlier mercy. Gollum.
Oh, nice catch.
The wand problem is finally made explicit by Ollivander, opening the way to the finale. I have some issues with this introduction of the taking of a wand. Considering how many times Harry has said "expelliarmus", there can hardly be anyone in the wizarding world still in control of their own wands.
Good point. It becomes very problematic when you consider the other fights between the children and Death Eaters. And I thought it might be for Harry's wand as well (book 4 in the graveyard) but I guess he snatched it back again so that fixed things.
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Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book 7 - The Deathly Hallows
- 24/11/2010 07:47:44 PM
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Suggestions - tell us what we could do better for this final discussion.
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The series as a whole: overall thoughts about the Harry Potter universe and all it contains
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Overall thoughts for The Deathly Hallows
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This might be the only book other than the first where I actually like Harry.
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Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie!
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Re: Argh, I keep mixing everything up with the movie!
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Going all the way back to the beginning in a number of ways, all of them so far excellent.
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Having finished it again... it's good, at times great, but not the best book in the series, imho.
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Chapters 1-3: The Dark Lord Ascending, In Memorian, The Dursleys Departing.
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Characters: Voldemort, the Death Eaters, Harry, Dodge, Dumbledore, Skeeter & the Dursleys
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Snape, Draco, Lucius, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Ms Burbage, Dumbledore, and the Dursleys.
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Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
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Re: Draco, female Death Eaters, Dumbledore.
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As Katie said, the husband is still around.
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Re: Charity Burbage
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Re: Charity Burbage
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Dudley
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Agreed, but she just went overboard too far early on for it to be credible now.
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Plotting, writing, early themes.
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Anything else? *NM*
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other stuff
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I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
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Re: I've always thought Rowling went overboard with the Nazi links.
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Chapters 4-6: The Seven Potters, The Fallen Warrior, The Ghoul in Pyjamas *NM*
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Characters: Harry, the Order, Hedwig, Mr & Mrs Tonks, Voldemort, etc
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Harry, the twins, Mr and Mrs Tonks, Lupin, Mr and Mrs Weasley, Scrimgeour and Hermione
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The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
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Re: The Plot. The Writing. The Other Technical Things.
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Yes, Dumbledore gives a very complex answer about the wand thing
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Any other thoughts? *NM*
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Chapters 7-9: The Will of Albus Dumbledore, The Wedding, A Place to Hide
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The characters: usual suspects, Scrimgeour, Doge, Krum, Luna, Xenophilius, etc.
- 29/11/2010 06:41:41 PM
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I just realized something about Krum.
- 06/12/2010 09:00:28 PM
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The action.
- 29/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Hermione and obliviate.
- 30/11/2010 02:23:51 PM
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Re: Hermione and obliviate.
- 30/11/2010 03:24:06 PM
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I think this was a Rowling mistake. It happens
- 01/12/2010 08:32:25 PM
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Agreed, though a rather blatant one that someone should have caught... *NM*
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Kreacher quoting Regulus raises an interesting point...
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Er, I posted this in the wrong place. That's what I get when I try to catch up. 
Sorry. *NM*
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Sorry. *NM*
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Please, sir, may I have some more? *NM*
- 29/11/2010 06:44:14 PM
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I love the use of Patronuses (Patroni?) as messengers.
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Chapters 10-12: Kreacher's Tale, The Bribe, Magic is Might
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Characters: more of the trio, Kreacher, Mundungus, RAB and Umbridge
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Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
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Re: Hermione and Ron, Sirius, Regulus, Kreacher, Lupin, Harry, Scrimgeour
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Seconded. Righteous anger is more fun than whiny angst-anger. *NM*
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I'm not sure why we're supposed to be surprised about Scrimgeour.
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Two things about Mafalda Hopkirk.
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Weaving the plot, the writing, and thematic matters.
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The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
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Re: The fidelius charm discussion, the invisibility cloak, the taboo, transfiguring food, and fear.
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And? And? And? *NM*
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Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
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Re: Did we have a discussion for a previous book about how many wizarding schools there are?
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Chapters 13-15: The Muggle-Born Registration Commission, The Thief, The Goblin's Revenge *NM*
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Characters: Ministry members, the trio, Ted, Dean, Dirk, Goblins, Phineas Nigellus
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Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
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Re: Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
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Re: Umbridge, Mr Weasley, Percy, Phineas Nigellus, Ron and the second trio
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Plotting, writing, theming.
- 04/12/2010 11:08:47 AM
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Apparating and the fidelius charm, some good plotting and the food problem.
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Anything else? *NM*
- 04/12/2010 11:10:52 AM
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It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye.
- 06/12/2010 10:09:04 PM
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Re: It may be a stretch, but with all the Nazi references, any WW2 reference is gonna catch my eye.
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Chapters 16-18: Godric's Hollow, Bathilda's Secret, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore
- 06/12/2010 09:57:00 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Bathilda, Dumbledore and others
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Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
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Re: Dumbledore, Hermione and Harry, Voldemort and Rita Skeeter.
- 06/12/2010 10:42:27 PM
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I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
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Re: I was interpreting it as sheer sexism, but you might be right.
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Lights! Camera! Action!
- 06/12/2010 09:59:52 PM
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But wait! There's more!
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Chapters 19-21: The Silver Doe, Xenophilius Lovegood, The Tale of the Three Brothers
- 08/12/2010 08:47:04 PM
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Characters: Harry, Hermione, Ron, Lovegood ... and not many more. *NM*
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Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 12:01:57 AM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 09/12/2010 08:03:05 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 09:16:48 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 10/12/2010 09:19:38 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 19/12/2010 06:58:04 PM
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Re: Snape, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Xenophilius, Luna and Dumbledore.
- 20/12/2010 09:36:17 AM
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What was that again about Hermione not being so good at thinking on her feet?
- 09/12/2010 07:52:23 PM
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Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
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Re: Action, plot, writing, theme: the Deathly Hallows explained at last.
- 09/12/2010 03:25:53 PM
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I don't think it works that way. They aren't "used up".
- 09/12/2010 06:52:29 PM
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up up down down left right left right b a select start. look at me I have 99 horcruxes!
- 10/12/2010 04:19:56 AM
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They're not so annoying yet, now.
- 09/12/2010 06:56:46 PM
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Re: They're not so annoying yet, now.
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Plus, it totally cheapens ability and skill if you have some "magic (magic) wand".
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Re: Plus, it totally cheapens ability and skill if you have some "magic (magic) wand".
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Chapters 22-24: The Deathly Hallows, Malfoy Manor, The Wandmaker.
- 10/12/2010 09:11:32 PM
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Characters: The Trio, the Malfoys, Dobby, a number of others. *NM*
- 10/12/2010 09:12:30 PM
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Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
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Re: Hermione, Harry, Lupin, Greyback, Draco, Lucius, Bellatrix, Dobby, Dumbledore
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On a side note about wands
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Yes, I've caught myself immaturely sniggering on occasion, too.
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Plot, writing, themes. *NM*
- 10/12/2010 09:13:37 PM
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An epiphany, Gollum, wands, the fidelius charm, grief, love and a strange blurring
- 10/12/2010 11:24:05 PM
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- 20/12/2010 07:32:48 PM
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Chapters 25-27: Shell Cottage, Gringotts, The Final Hiding Place
- 13/12/2010 10:03:15 PM
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Characters *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:03:29 PM
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Harry, Fleur, Ron, Griphook, Lupin, the dragon, Bellatrix and Voldemort.
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- 14/12/2010 10:19:04 PM
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- 14/12/2010 10:37:00 PM
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- 14/12/2010 10:45:36 PM
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- 20/12/2010 03:33:49 PM
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Plot, action, etc. *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:04:02 PM
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red herring, fidelius charm information and full circle.
- 14/12/2010 05:17:11 PM
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Other things. *NM*
- 13/12/2010 10:04:23 PM
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Film stuff
- 14/12/2010 05:17:18 PM
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Excellent point.
- 14/12/2010 10:05:01 PM
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Re: Excellent point.
- 14/12/2010 10:09:53 PM
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Sometimes Rowling's parallels are far too simplistic and unsophisticated.
- 20/12/2010 03:39:50 PM
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Chapters 28-30: The Missing Mirror, The Lost Diadem, The Sacking of Severus Snape *NM*
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Characters *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:07:31 PM
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Aberforth and Dumbledore, Neville, Ginny, Luna, McGonagall, Harry, Percy, Fleur and the twins
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Writing, action, plot, theme, yadda yadda yadda. *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:08:04 PM
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red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
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Re: red herrings, solutions, evil Hogwarts and the forces of good
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Other things. *NM*
- 16/12/2010 01:08:25 PM
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Chapters 31-33: The Battle for Hogwarts, The Elder Wand, The Prince's Tale
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Characters: far too many to mention.
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Too many to mention, indeed.
- 20/12/2010 09:30:54 AM
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The action, and plot advancement and completion.
- 19/12/2010 08:00:09 PM
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memories, cinematic moments and parallels.
- 20/12/2010 09:32:27 AM
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Chapters 34-36: The Forest Again, King's Cross, The Flaw in the Plan
- 20/12/2010 07:31:27 PM
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Characters: Voldemort, Harry, Dumbledore, Ron, Hermione, et al.
- 20/12/2010 07:32:15 PM
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Harry, Dumbledore, Neville, the Malfoys, Molly and Voldemort
- 20/12/2010 11:28:19 PM
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Tying up the plot.
- 20/12/2010 07:33:00 PM
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Narnia, blood, revenge of the downtrodden, sacrifice, plans and souls
- 20/12/2010 11:29:44 PM
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Epilogue: the future.
- 20/12/2010 07:35:06 PM
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