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Re: Thereby... Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM

You know, I never noticed that in Leroux? Possibly because I found him otherwise rather good.


...completely disproving your earlier italics argument. Ah Camilla, you make it too easy.


Pfff. What this argument shows it that you can get away with crappy tools if your writing/story/characters is/are otherwise up to scratch. Which they are not in the case of Brown.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2512 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1375 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1226 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1369 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1313 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1308 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1233 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1240 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1244 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1248 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1349 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1318 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 601 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1393 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1238 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1282 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1232 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1292 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 701 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1229 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 584 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 656 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1221 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1309 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1262 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1249 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1237 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1338 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1239 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1522 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1283 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1343 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1220 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1184 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1237 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 601 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1201 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1219 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1195 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1214 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1225 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1267 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 622 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1257 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1224 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1192 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1193 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1350 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1438 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1263 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1503 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1284 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1215 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1214 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1159 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1263 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1328 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 604 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 618 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 630 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 654 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1197 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1287 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1200 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1183 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1195 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1159 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1312 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1225 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1289 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1290 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1339 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1210 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1287 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 516 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1196 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1183 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 641 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 648 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1204 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1111 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1183 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1195 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1274 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 602 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1189 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1283 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1233 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1235 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1202 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 627 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1178 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1315 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1195 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1083 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1425 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1189 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1213 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 598 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1304 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1139 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1224 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1351 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 598 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1137 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1419 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1282 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1293 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1313 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1205 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1186 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1251 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1336 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1320 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1190 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1321 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1258 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1253 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1276 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 602 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1277 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1149 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1321 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1210 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1380 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1432 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1088 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 832 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 623 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1171 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1431 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1206 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1193 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1334 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 630 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 583 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 835 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 620 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1563 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1325 Views
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