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Re: Thereby... Camilla Send a noteboard - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM

You know, I never noticed that in Leroux? Possibly because I found him otherwise rather good.


...completely disproving your earlier italics argument. Ah Camilla, you make it too easy.


Pfff. What this argument shows it that you can get away with crappy tools if your writing/story/characters is/are otherwise up to scratch. Which they are not in the case of Brown.
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2217 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1070 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 939 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1094 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1024 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1042 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 951 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 988 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 987 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 982 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1072 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1069 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 482 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1137 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 957 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 977 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 966 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 988 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 579 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 986 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 459 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 553 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 952 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1022 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1002 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 963 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 986 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1077 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 971 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1253 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1001 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1065 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 960 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 907 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 968 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 451 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 917 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 965 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 927 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 948 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 973 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 984 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 514 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 992 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 950 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 943 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 910 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1082 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1141 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1000 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1200 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 976 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 962 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 909 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 903 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 998 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1073 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 488 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 497 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 478 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 519 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 906 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 968 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 936 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 939 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 953 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 867 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1056 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 955 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1025 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1016 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1075 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 921 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 994 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 384 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 958 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 914 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 507 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 528 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 950 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 841 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 921 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 910 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 970 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 490 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 926 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1000 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1000 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 973 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 929 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 505 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 909 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1043 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 936 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 804 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1151 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 917 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 929 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 489 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1031 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 871 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 942 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1058 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 470 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 871 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1104 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 985 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 969 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1032 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 912 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 919 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 972 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1095 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1062 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 930 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1019 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1000 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 962 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1032 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 482 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 961 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 891 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1047 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 906 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1066 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1172 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 850 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 646 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 505 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 894 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1094 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 943 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 924 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 978 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 518 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 467 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 640 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 510 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1218 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1051 Views
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