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Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM
Individual Aes Sedai can and often do perform great acts. The Aes Sedai as a collective on the other hand, whether it's the united White Tower, Elaida's Tower, or the Salidar rebels, accomplish little. I would have to look into it all a bit more closely to be sure (perhaps during another reread) but it might even be fair to say that they do more harm than good.


You are conveniently forgetting that for all practical purposes Elaida IS the WT. At least as far a public pronouncements and actions are concerned. If you haven't noticed, she rules the tower with an iron fist, and the least bit of non-compliance with her edicts (or the ones given her by the Black Ajah) are met with exceedingly harsh punishment. I've already agreed with the OP that as far as fighting the Shadow is concerned Elaida is pretty superfluous. But that's NOT what was written!!! The original post said "Aes Sedai are superfluous". That is what I disagree with. If the orignal post had said. "Elaida is such a meglomaniac that she is effing everything up" I would go "Right on brother" In fact approx 1/3 of all AS agree to the extent that they are focused 100% on getting her out of there.
Unfortunately, that is not what the original post said. Basically he said that the only thing the AS do is bumble about getting in other ppls way.

NaCl(THAT is what I take issue with)H2O
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1249 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 836 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 508 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 784 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 989 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 857 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 819 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 790 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 749 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 754 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 817 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 807 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 656 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 676 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 696 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 787 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 606 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 644 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 733 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 751 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 776 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 682 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 677 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 642 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 681 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 779 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 699 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 751 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 686 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 903 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 672 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 683 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 624 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 704 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 634 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 713 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 611 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 735 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 646 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 729 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 870 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 709 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 820 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 619 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 659 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 955 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 626 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 977 Views
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