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Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM
Individual Aes Sedai can and often do perform great acts. The Aes Sedai as a collective on the other hand, whether it's the united White Tower, Elaida's Tower, or the Salidar rebels, accomplish little. I would have to look into it all a bit more closely to be sure (perhaps during another reread) but it might even be fair to say that they do more harm than good.


You are conveniently forgetting that for all practical purposes Elaida IS the WT. At least as far a public pronouncements and actions are concerned. If you haven't noticed, she rules the tower with an iron fist, and the least bit of non-compliance with her edicts (or the ones given her by the Black Ajah) are met with exceedingly harsh punishment. I've already agreed with the OP that as far as fighting the Shadow is concerned Elaida is pretty superfluous. But that's NOT what was written!!! The original post said "Aes Sedai are superfluous". That is what I disagree with. If the orignal post had said. "Elaida is such a meglomaniac that she is effing everything up" I would go "Right on brother" In fact approx 1/3 of all AS agree to the extent that they are focused 100% on getting her out of there.
Unfortunately, that is not what the original post said. Basically he said that the only thing the AS do is bumble about getting in other ppls way.

NaCl(THAT is what I take issue with)H2O
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1178 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 765 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 483 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 709 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 913 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 787 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 745 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 715 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 681 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 683 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 756 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 719 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 608 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 631 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 618 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 700 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 528 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 568 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 642 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 669 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 738 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 609 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 604 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 563 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 608 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 708 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 630 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 679 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 610 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 811 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 589 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 608 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 552 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 623 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 545 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 643 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 548 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 658 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 574 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 650 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 792 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 634 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 747 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 544 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 588 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 883 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 548 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 889 Views
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